Andrew, That's a good question. I know there used to be regional differences in mountain bikes. Maybe some of the more experienced framebuilders would know. Seems to me certain things like alignment would have been especially important if you were riding in the Rockies where really long downhills are common. Rather than here in Minnesota where a 1 mile downhill is probably the longest most will ride.
As to Jan's reviews, I consider them to be done by an optimized rider in opimized conditions. It's a very high benchmark, and something a rider such as I will never be able to reach. But it at least opens my mind to other possibilities out there. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Jan 18, 9:10�pm, Andrew Karre <andrew.ka...@gmail.com> wrote: > I think the next big contribution BQ could make to the cycling > discourse is to delve into the "local" aspects of frame and bicycle > design. I don't have any experience or evidence to back this up, but > might it be the case that the terrain for which Singer, Herse, et. al. > were designing �their bikes was more homogeneous than what the BQ > readership encounters? Correct me if I'm wrong. I know France has > diverse weather, roads, and topography, but did the constructeurs' > designs and the routes of the tech trials reflect this? > > For my part, I read every BQ article with great fascination, but when > Jan talks cornering performance, for instance, it just doesn't have a > lot of resonance for me as a brevet rider in Minnesota, where the > majority of corners are flat 90s amongst corn fields (Tim's evil > Wisconsin route excepted). �Show me a bike with geometry optimized for > wind, and we'll talk. Similarly, his Gran Bois urban bike, while very > interesting, would be of dubious utility five months of the year here. > And then there's the discussion of clothing. I commute by bike year > round in the Twin Cities so I think I have some authority on this, > given our 120 degree temperature range, and I can say I have never > learned anything useful about winter riding from Grant or Jan. My > point isn't that their advice is bad--not at all; it's quite good, I > imagine. It just doesn't scale to Minnesota conditions, just as our > choices don't make any sense in the Southwest, etc (where they must > wonder why we're all so obsessed with good fenders). > > It seems to me like frame building and bicycle design should be > encouraged to evolve regionally--not just out of a desire to support > the home team, but out of a desire to ride truly optimized bicycles. > This is exactly what doesn't happen with mass produced bicycles (all > bikes are optimized for crits or the Tour or both), so BQ would be > increasing its already good works by taking on this issue. > > On Jan 18, 5:59�pm, Tim McNamara <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote: > > > > > On Jan 18, 2009, at 10:18 AM, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > > On Sun, 2009-01-18 at 08:04 -0800, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: > > >> Curious, since, among the more mass marketed race-style bikes, > > >> stiffness (especially in the BB area) is one of the primary selling > > >> points. > > > > Right. �I've seen comments like "it's impossible to have too much > > > stiffness" and stiffness has been one of the big selling points since > > > the 1970s. �One of the biggest contributions BQ has made, I think, has > > > been to call this into question. > > > And it's a good assumption to question. �Stiffer = better is an � > > article of faith and seeming common sense, but there's not really � > > much data to support it. �Sean Kelly's favorite racing bike was the � > > Vitus 979; he won hundreds of pro bike races on those. �If more � > > flexible = worse, he'd have been losing those races and would have � > > switched to a different frame. �But it seems to me that there's an � > > equal danger in going with the other article of faith, that frame � > > flex and "planing" (I really wish he'd picked a more suitable � > > metaphor) is a benefit. > > > The main difference that I can tell between the various standard and � > > OS tubed bikes I've ridden over the years is that my OS frames don't � > > have as much derailleur rub and ghost shifting. �My stiffest bike (a � > > Ritchey) is also the best climbing bike I have ever ridden, just the � > > opposite of Jan's experiences and Steve's. �It is probably a matter � > > of "horses for courses." �What works well for me might be execrable � > > to the next person.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
