In this case, I'm thinking of the unfortunate JVM error messages from
Clojure. As far as I know, the main reason to suffer through Clojure's
attachment to the JVM is that no other Lisp has the same level of
support for web applications.

The second reason may be something about performance, but we can
probably close that gap with some different approaches. I'm specifically
thinking of taking a shot at a libev-based server like Common Lisp's Woo
for higher performance, although that would be a shot in the dark
because I don't understand the details affecting server performance
right now.

On Fri, Oct 13, 2017, at 11:55 AM, James wrote:
> 
> On Oct 13, 2017, at 9:44 AM, 'Royall Spence' via Racket Users wrote:
> 
> > Since we're bikeshedding here, I think we'd benefit from having a web
> > toolkit on par with Clojure's Luminus. We only need a few more packages,
> > a website documenting their interoperation, and a project skeleton to
> > create the same sort of experience with the benefit of better error
> > messages. I've already built one of the easy pieces (dotenv), and I'm
> > working on more more of them. Some of the things I'd like to include,
> > like server diagnostics, are a little over my head at the moment. I
> > intend to keep checking off the boxes, though, and have a
> > production-ready "framework" available sometime.
> 
> That's really good.  It's a pet peeve of mine that web sites and web
> tools often don't give, bury or suppress error messages.  My guess is
> that it started with the notion that you should suppress error messages
> to make SQL injection attacks harder.  I don't agree with that idea in
> the first place, much less in other areas besides opportunities for code
> injection.
> 
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