In my experience, it means two seemingly opposite things that unify to
create bad software. On the one hand, it's an extreme conservatism and
fear of attempting new things. Don't try a new language, just keep using
PHP. Don't install the new PHP version with better features, it could be
risky. Don't use automated library management and deployment, we don't
understand it. Don't use git, it sounds scary.

On the other hand, this same attitude of underconfidence and low
ambition drives the adoption of dubious tooling. We cannot possibly be
smart enough to write our own application, so use this slow and
confusing web framework. Google and Facebook use these heavy Javascript
tools, so we'd better do that, too, on every single project. Who are we
to defy the "experts" in our field?

At least, that's been my experience in 10 years of web development. It's
perfectly fine to make mistakes, but I can't stomach the repetition.
Enough of my complaining, though.

Since we're bikeshedding here, I think we'd benefit from having a web
toolkit on par with Clojure's Luminus. We only need a few more packages,
a website documenting their interoperation, and a project skeleton to
create the same sort of experience with the benefit of better error
messages. I've already built one of the easy pieces (dotenv), and I'm
working on more more of them. Some of the things I'd like to include,
like server diagnostics, are a little over my head at the moment. I
intend to keep checking off the boxes, though, and have a
production-ready "framework" available sometime.

On Fri, Oct 13, 2017, at 08:25 AM, David Storrs wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 2:27 AM, Eric Griffis <ded...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 9:31 AM David Storrs <david.sto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> 
> > Web dev culture is a bigger issue.
> >
> > Eric
> 
> How so?
> 
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