Hi Dennis, Sounds like it is time to shift the communications to MS support. Perhaps providing them with application/OS version details and copies of the relevant files will enable some debugging on their end.
Still not sure why I am not experiencing the behavior... Regards, Marc > On Mar 27, 2018, at 1:43 PM, Dennis Fisher <fis...@plessthan.com> wrote: > > Mark > > The two computers that exhibit this are both from 2017. The one that works > correctly is a bit older. > Now that it is reasonably clear that R is doing the right thing, the question > is how to fix this in Office. > > I just tried one more thing — I have an RTF document with embedded JPEGs that > was created on one of the problem computers. I just opened the document on a > fourth computer (purchased in 2013) running El Capitan. In Word 2016, > half-size; in Word 2008, full size. So, Word appears to be the culprit, > although not consistently. > > Dennis > > Dennis Fisher MD > P < (The "P Less Than" Company) > Phone / Fax: 1-866-PLessThan (1-866-753-7784) > www.PLessThan.com <http://www.plessthan.com/> > > > > >> On Mar 27, 2018, at 5:25 PM, Marc Schwartz <marc_schwa...@me.com >> <mailto:marc_schwa...@me.com>> wrote: >> >> Interesting. >> >> Given that I am not [yet] experiencing this behavior, which has a retina >> display (mid 2014 15-inch MBP), it makes me wonder if there was some level >> of corruption in the upgrade to Office via the Autoupdate tool from MS. >> Unless both of you have much more recent hardware by chance... >> >> Dennis, have you tried to do an uninstall of Office and a clean re-install? >> >> Regards, >> >> Marc >> >> >>> On Mar 26, 2018, at 10:38 PM, Colin A. Smith <co...@colinsmith.org >>> <mailto:co...@colinsmith.org>> wrote: >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I’m seeing the exact same behavior on my version of Word (16.11.1 - >>> 180319). It only happened in the last month or two, so I was suspecting it >>> had something to do with this recent change: >>> >>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/01/office-for-mac-finally-has-real-time-collaboration-in-16-9-0-update/ >>> >>> <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/01/office-for-mac-finally-has-real-time-collaboration-in-16-9-0-update/> >>> >>> <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/01/office-for-mac-finally-has-real-time-collaboration-in-16-9-0-update/ >>> >>> <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/01/office-for-mac-finally-has-real-time-collaboration-in-16-9-0-update/>> >>> >>> It seems like that could be pretty a pretty major under the hood change to >>> me. I thought it could have something to do retina/non-retina 2X scaling. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Colin >>> >>>> On Mar 26, 2018, at 16:49, Marc Schwartz <marc_schwa...@me.com >>>> <mailto:marc_schwa...@me.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Dennis, >>>> >>>> Very strange. >>>> >>>> Perhaps you might consider completely removing all Office components and >>>> doing a fully clean install? >>>> >>>> If the PDF that I sent exhibited the same behavior as one you create >>>> locally, that would tend to suggest that the problem is not your R >>>> installation. >>>> >>>> More info here: >>>> >>>> https://support.office.com/en-us/article/uninstall-office-2016-for-mac-eefa1199-5b58-43af-8a3d-b73dc1a8cae3 >>>> >>>> <https://support.office.com/en-us/article/uninstall-office-2016-for-mac-eefa1199-5b58-43af-8a3d-b73dc1a8cae3> >>>> >>>> <https://support.office.com/en-us/article/uninstall-office-2016-for-mac-eefa1199-5b58-43af-8a3d-b73dc1a8cae3 >>>> >>>> <https://support.office.com/en-us/article/uninstall-office-2016-for-mac-eefa1199-5b58-43af-8a3d-b73dc1a8cae3>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Marc >>>> >>>>> On Mar 26, 2018, at 3:06 PM, Dennis Fisher <fis...@plessthan.com >>>>> <mailto:fis...@plessthan.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Marc >>>>> >>>>> Office is fully updated (see version as yours) >>>>> Original size is 1/2 of the intended size. >>>>> When the drag the file to TextEdit, the size is as intended! >>>>> So, the mystery continues. >>>>> >>>>> Dennis >>>>> >>>>> Dennis Fisher MD >>>>> P < (The "P Less Than" Company) >>>>> Phone / Fax: 1-866-PLessThan (1-866-753-7784) >>>>> www.PLessThan.com <http://www.plessthan.com/> <http://www.plessthan.com/ >>>>> <http://www.plessthan.com/>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 26, 2018, at 10:21 AM, Marc Schwartz <marc_schwa...@me.com >>>>>> <mailto:marc_schwa...@me.com> <mailto:marc_schwa...@me.com >>>>>> <mailto:marc_schwa...@me.com>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Dennis, >>>>>> >>>>>> I reviewed the Preference settings in Word and did not see anything that >>>>>> to my eye would be relevant to default embedded object sizes. >>>>>> >>>>>> You might check to be sure that your Office installation is fully >>>>>> updated. There have been several updates of late. My Word is showing >>>>>> version 16.11.1 (180319) in the About Word dialog. >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, right click on the embedded PDF in Word and check "Size and >>>>>> Position...". On the "Size" tab, see what the dialog box is showing for >>>>>> "Original size" at the bottom, and be sure that "Scale" is set to 100% >>>>>> for both height and width. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Marc >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mar 26, 2018, at 12:01 PM, Dennis Fisher <fis...@plessthan.com >>>>>>> <mailto:fis...@plessthan.com> <mailto:fis...@plessthan.com >>>>>>> <mailto:fis...@plessthan.com>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Marc >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for trying this. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Your PDF exhibited the problematic behavior (half-size). It appears >>>>>>> that we are using the same version of the OS. We are using the same >>>>>>> generation of Word (Office Home & Business 2016 for Mac (Work At Home)) >>>>>>> although there are probably several versions of Office floating around. >>>>>>> This left the version of R — but I can confirm the same problematic >>>>>>> behavior with R 3.4.4. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Of note, this behavior exists on two different OS X machines but a >>>>>>> third computer with OS X 13.2 works correctly. >>>>>>> Also, when I use R to create an RTF document that contains JPEG images, >>>>>>> the same problem happens. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am at a loss — perhaps there is something weird about my version of >>>>>>> Office or some preference that is set incorrectly. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dennis >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dennis Fisher MD >>>>>>> P < (The "P Less Than" Company) >>>>>>> Phone / Fax: 1-866-PLessThan (1-866-753-7784) >>>>>>> www.PLessThan.com <http://www.plessthan.com/> >>>>>>> <http://www.plessthan.com/ <http://www.plessthan.com/>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mar 26, 2018, at 8:33 AM, Marc Schwartz <marc_schwa...@me.com >>>>>>>> <mailto:marc_schwa...@me.com> <mailto:marc_schwa...@me.com >>>>>>>> <mailto:marc_schwa...@me.com>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mar 26, 2018, at 11:11 AM, Dennis Fisher <fis...@plessthan.com >>>>>>>>> <mailto:fis...@plessthan.com> <mailto:fis...@plessthan.com >>>>>>>>> <mailto:fis...@plessthan.com>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> R 3.4.3 >>>>>>>>> OS X 13.3 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Colleagues >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have encountered surprising behavior in the following circumstance: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 1. I create a one-page PDF in R. The command might be: >>>>>>>>> pdf(“/path/to/file”, width=5, height=3.5) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2. When I open the PDF in Preview, the “inspector” confirms the >>>>>>>>> intended size. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 3. I embed the PDF into Word for Mac (the newest version). I >>>>>>>>> accomplish this in one of several ways, all leading to the same >>>>>>>>> outcome: >>>>>>>>> a. I drag the icon into Word >>>>>>>>> b. I copy the thumbnail and paste into Word >>>>>>>>> c. I drag the thumbnail into Word >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 4. Previously, after the page was embedded, the size matched the >>>>>>>>> specifications (5 x 3.5, in this instance). Now, the width is >>>>>>>>> one-half of the intended size. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 5. Interestingly, when I drag the thumbnail into Word, the image >>>>>>>>> appears twice >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I suspect that the problem is in Word, rather than R, but I am >>>>>>>>> curious as to whether anyone has encountered this and has a solution. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dennis >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Dennis, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Try it with the attached PDF, created with: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> pdf("test.pdf", width = 5, height = 3.5) >>>>>>>> plot(1:5) >>>>>>>> dev.off() >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am using R 3.4.4 on macOS 10.13.3, with Word 2016. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> When I drag the pdf file from my desktop into Word, or the thumbnail >>>>>>>> from Preview, the size of the embedded object is correct and I get the >>>>>>>> correct preview image of the plot in Word. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If I copy and paste the thumbnail into Word, it has the correct size, >>>>>>>> the but preview image in Word appears to be bitmapped, instead of >>>>>>>> vector, so the quality of the image in Word is not as good. Similar to >>>>>>>> what one might see embedding an EPS file in Word. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Also, if I "Insert" object from the Word menu, and select the PDF >>>>>>>> file, I get the correct size and the vector based image. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Marc Schwartz >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <test.pdf> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >> > [[alternative HTML version deleted]] _______________________________________________ R-SIG-Mac mailing list R-SIG-Mac@r-project.org https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac
