Thank you again Duncan for the details. Best, Ivan
-- Dr. Ivan Calandra TraCEr, laboratory for Traceology and Controlled Experiments MONREPOS Archaeological Research Centre and Museum for Human Behavioural Evolution Schloss Monrepos 56567 Neuwied, Germany +49 (0) 2631 9772-243 https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Ivan_Calandra On 17/08/2020 20:50, Duncan Murdoch wrote: > On 17/08/2020 9:20 a.m., Ivan Calandra wrote: >> I don't want to relight the fire, but I was wondering about that >> statement from John C Frain: >> "If you use RStudio and do not install any of the RStudio packages". >> >> I guess you mean that some packages are bundled with RStudio. I had >> never noticed any optional packages during the installation of >> RStudio... Is there a way to identify (and delete, if wished) these >> packages? >> Or have I misunderstood? > > When you are running RStudio, your search list will include > "tools:rstudio". It's not exactly a package, it's an environment > containing functions used by the RStudio front end. You can delete it > and R will still work fine, but I'd expect some parts of the GUI to > stop working. > > Some RStudio actions (e.g. clicking the "knit" button) will prompt you > to install packages if they are not found. I don't think any of them > are "bundled" with RStudio, but I might be wrong about that. > > RStudio definitely installs Pandoc and maybe some other packages. > (These aren't R packages, they are packages in a more general sense.) > Certainly you should be able to delete Pandoc if you have permissions > to install it; that may break RMarkdown if you don't have another copy > somewhere.) > > To identify what R packages got installed, just run > "installed.packages()" before and after installing RStudio, and look > for differences. > > Duncan Murdoch > > >> >> Thank you! >> Ivan >> >> -- >> Dr. Ivan Calandra >> TraCEr, laboratory for Traceology and Controlled Experiments >> MONREPOS Archaeological Research Centre and >> Museum for Human Behavioural Evolution >> Schloss Monrepos >> 56567 Neuwied, Germany >> +49 (0) 2631 9772-243 >> https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Ivan_Calandra >> >> On 16/08/2020 20:20, John C Frain wrote: >>> On Sun 16 Aug 2020 at 06:32, Jeff Newmiller <jdnew...@dcn.davis.ca.us> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> a) Read about it yourself. It is a legal definition. >>>> >>>> b) Don't "correct" me with misinformation you are clearly inventing. >>>> RStudio the software does not "introduce people to a modified >>>> version of >>>> R." Each user has to opt in to that "modified" experience by >>>> explicitly >>>> installing each of the the many CRAN packages that various >>>> employees of >>>> RStudio have created and all of which can (to my knowledge) be used >>>> without >>>> installing the RStudio IDE at all. Yes, a bunch of them can be >>>> grabbed at >>>> once by installing the tidyverse package, but that is also a choice >>>> made by >>>> users and by instructors struggling to deal with students who have >>>> a hard >>>> time with Excel much less functional programming. But RStudio is an >>>> R IDE. >>>> >>>> There are a lot of packages sponsored by RStudio that I find >>>> redundant and >>>> slow, but portraying the RStudio company or the IDE as inherently >>>> "not R" >>>> just because newbies like the IDE and the packages they sponsor, >>>> and who >>>> end up confusing R with RStudio even though they have to install >>>> both, is >>>> small-minded and biased >>> >>> To clarify: If you use RStudio and do not install any of the RStudio >>> packages, R in RStudio is the same R as if you were running it from the >>> command line. I would think that many users find command completion, >>> access to help files, project management Etc. useful. Nobody is asking >>> anyone to install the RStudio packages. I do sometimes but not >>> always and >>> have found them useful. Jeff is 100% correct. >>> >>> >>>> On August 15, 2020 9:10:34 PM PDT, Abby Spurdle >>>> <spurdl...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 12:11 PM Jeff Newmiller >>>>> <jdnew...@dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote: >>>>>> It is a public benefit corporation >>>>> Seriously? >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 12:11 PM Jeff Newmiller >>>>> <jdnew...@dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote: >>>>>> used to introduce people to R >>>>> Correction, it introduces people to a modified version of R. >>>> -- >>>> Sent from my phone. Please excuse my brevity. >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________ >>>> R-help@r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see >>>> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help >>>> PLEASE do read the posting guide >>>> http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html >>>> and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. >>>> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> R-help@r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see >> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help >> PLEASE do read the posting guide >> http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html >> and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. >> > > ______________________________________________ R-help@r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
