Yes, let us all make lists of all the things we want people to condemn before they can participate in QGIS support and development. . . . (NOT!)
From: Ari Meyer <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2022 1:18 PM To: Jeff Sonnentag <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Qgis-user] Help Ukraine, Boycott Russia I do agree that such a boycott is problematic, in the same way that boycotting apolitical Chinese organizations for China's crimes against humanity is problematic. But I do agree with Markus that Russia's actions here are abominable. I think a reasonable compromise, FWIW, could be that Russian QGIS devs/users, at least those in the diaspora, unequivocally condemn Russian aggression and declare solidarity with Ukraine, or make some similar declaration. Ari On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 1:49 PM Jeff Sonnentag <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: You can have another "Fully agreed with Andreas" from here. . . . Would you be overjoyed and supportive of a "boycott" of QGIS if it comes out anybody in any war is using it for mapping stuff? People could come up with all kinds of places considered "civilized" that went/are way off the tracks on COVID BS. Want to ban participation of all the other people who live under tyrants too? -----Original Message----- From: Qgis-user <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Paolo Cavallini Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2022 4:53 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Qgis-user] Help Ukraine, Boycott Russia Fully agreed with Andreas. We try to make the world a better, more free place by developing QGIS with a free and open source licence, let's stick to this and welcome any contribution. Cheers. Il 24/02/22 13:29, Andreas Neumann ha scritto: > Dear Markus, > > This is a really difficult topic that you raise here. While I agree > that the aggression from the Putin regime should be condemned, I am > against excluding Russian QGIS contributors and sustaining members. If > we start excluding countries and organizations on such assumptions - > where do we draw the line? The majority of today's world population > unfortunately has to live in problematic conditions, when it concerns > democracy and dictators. Also - where should be draw the line on what > is ethical use of QGIS and what not? Is oil exploration utilizing QGIS > software allowed, as an example? > > As the current QGIS.ORG<http://QGIS.ORG> <http://QGIS.ORG> treasurer I can > say that we > had a sustaining member from Russia last year - there is no indication > that this company is collaborating with the Putin government - though > it is of course a bit hard to judge - of course - for outsiders. > > The vast majority of the Russian population is probably suffering from > Putin's politics - my guess is that the majority of the Russian > population would like to live in peace and prosperity and not be > involved in such war and aggression. But do they have a real choice? > Fair elections? I doubt it ... In that sense I am against excluding > Russian QGIS users and contributors based on these events. > > We also have QGIS contributors from Ukraine who are now affected by > this aggression - let's be supportive when there could be Ukrainian > refugees in the coming months - and let's hope that this situation can > soon be deescalated. > > Greetings, > Andreas > > On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 at 10:09, > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: > > Dear List, > > like all free people in the world I totally condemn the Russian > invasion in Ukraine this morning. This is an attack on the free > world and especially on Europe and on all values of freedom which we > all represent in a global, peaceful open source community. > > - So, what can each individual do to defend this freedom? > - What can the QGIS community do? > - How can we be sure, that the know-how we develop will not be used > for Russian military purposes against the Ukraine? > > The invasion was confirmed by the Duma, the Russian parliament which > is the representative body of the Russian people. Consequently the > Russian population bears responsibility for the invasion and we > should led them know, that military force against an independent, > free and democratic European country goes against all the values > we stand for in the open source community. > > The least we can do is starting to think about a boycott of Russian > products and Russian co-operations to express our opinion to all > Russian companies and partners we know. Finally its up to the > ordinary Russian man to change this unbearable situation which is > becoming a permanent threat to free Europe. > > With this respect the QGIS developer community should also think > about excluding Russian partners and sponsors from all QGIS > activities as long as Russian troops are in the Ukraine. > > I think, the values of freedom we stand for, is the highest good we > must defend! > > How do you think about it? > > Very concerned greeting. > > Markus Weidenbach > landConsult.de > Bühl/Germany > > _______________________________________________ > Qgis-user mailing list > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user > <https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user> > Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user > <https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user> > > > > -- > > -- > Andreas Neumann > QGIS.ORG<http://QGIS.ORG> <http://QGIS.ORG> board member (treasurer) > > _______________________________________________ > Qgis-user mailing list > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user > Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user -- Paolo Cavallini www.faunalia.eu<http://www.faunalia.eu> - QGIS.org training, support, development on QGIS, PostGIS and more _______________________________________________ Qgis-user mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user _______________________________________________ Qgis-user mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
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