On 06/03/2015 03:23, Ben Finney wrote:
Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info> writes:
Ben Finney wrote:
“get their panties all up in a bunch” is a gendered slur.
Why do you interpret that as insulting to women merely on the basis of
being *female*?
I think your question is in bad faith. You know as well as I do, and I'm
confident the person who wrote the slur knows, that “panties” strongly
connotes *female* underwear.
It seems to me that far from challenging sexual stereotypes,
mainstream feminist thought actually *reinforces* it: as evidence, you
assumed that only women wear panties, therefore any reference to
panty-wearing is therefore a slur on women.
No. I'm saying that it's clear the person saying “get their panties all
up in a bunch” fully intends to convey specifically *female* underwear,
and thereby to use implied femininity as an insult.
Yes, of course I know some people who aren't female wear panties. Yes,
of course I know some women wear underwear that isn't panties. Don't try
to change the topic with absurd logical extremes that I didn't raise.
I'm talking about the implication of the comment as a gendered insult.
It's only gender specific if you accept the sexist gendered stereotype
that all women are by definition thin-skinned and excessively
sensitive.
Bullshit. I said nothing about the sensitivity of anyone. Individual
women you may know – even *all* women, everywhere – could be as tough as
nails, and it doesn't address the point I'm raising.
Whether any particular woman is targeted or not, the comment I'm
responding to invokes female gender as an implied insult. That's
unwelcoming to women, and I don't want such unwelcoming attitudes in
this community.
I'd rather be reading about the 4,773 open issues on the bug tracker.
As I consider this rather more important than some completely tangential
load of cobblers, would you and MR D'Aprano be kind enough to go and
have your 12, 3 minute rounds elsewhere, thanks?
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