On 1/6/2014 7:39 AM, Ned Batchelder wrote:
You are still talking about whether Armin is right, and whether he writes well, about flaws in his statistics, etc.
That is how *I* decide whether someone is worth attending to. He failed. > I'm talking about the fact that an organization of volunteers
(Python core development) has a product
given away for free, with a liberal license that allows derivative products
(Python 3) that is getting bad press.
Inevitable and nothing new.
(Armin, Kenneth, and others) are unhappy.
There are many unhappy people in the world. Some will be unhappy no matter what.
What is being done to make them happy?
Huh? What are they doing to make core developers happy?
Who is working with them?
You? Really the wrong question. Which of 'them' is working with us -- in a respectful manner -- through established means? (See my response to Ethan about what 'unhappy customers' failed to do for a year.)
I'm talking about making customers happy.
Python has 'customers' around the world. I am more am more concerned with helping poor kids in Asia, Africa, and Latin America than with well-off professional developers in Latin-alphabet regions.
A certain person is unhappy with a feature of 3.3+. When we fixed the first ostensible problem he identified, without his help, he found other reasons to be unhappy with the feature. When we voluntarily fix more of the ostensible problems with Python 3, which we will, without help from most of the 'unhappy customers', I expect that some of them will also continue to be unhappy customers. Some of them are opposed to the fundamental changes in Python 3 and will never be happy with it.
-- Terry Jan Reedy -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
