Ned Batchelder <ned <at> nedbatchelder.com> writes: > > You can look through his problems and decide that he's "wrong," or that > he's "ranting," but that doesn't change the fact that Python 3 is > encountering friction. What happens when a significant fraction of your > customers are "wrong"?
Well, yes, there is some friction and this is quite expectable, when shipping incompatible changes. Other pieces of software have undergone a similar process (e.g. Apache 1.x -> Apache 2.x). (the alternative is to maintain a piece of software that sticks with obsolete conventions, e.g. emacs) > Core developers: I thank you for the countless hours you have devoted to > building all of the versions of Python. I'm sure in many ways it's a > thankless task. But you have a problem. What's the point in being > right if you end up with a product that people don't use? People don't use? According to available figures, there are more downloads of Python 3 than downloads of Python 2 (Windows installers, mostly): http://www.python.org/webstats/ The number of Python 3-compatible packages has been showing a constant and healthy increase for years: http://dev.pocoo.org/~gbrandl/py3.html And Dan's survey shows 77% of respondents think Python 3 wasn't a mistake: https://wiki.python.org/moin/2.x-vs-3.x-survey > Maybe there are core developers who are trying hard to solve the > problems Kenneth and Armin are facing. It would be great if that work > was more visible. I don't see it, and apparently Armin doesn't either. While this is being discussed: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2014-January/130923.html I would still point out that "Kenneth and Armin" are not the whole Python community. Your whole argument seems to be that a couple "revered" (!!) individuals should see their complaints taken for granted. I am opposed to rockstarizing the community. Their contribution is always welcome, of course. (as for network programming, the people working on and with asyncio don't seem to find Python 3 terrible) Regards Antoine. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
