* Steve Holden:
Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
* Steve Holden:
So now the whole thing boils down to "Alf against the world"? The
reminds me of the story about the woman who went to see her son qualify
from his basic army training. When asked what she thought of the parade
she said it was very nice, but that "everyone but our Alf was out of
step".
Considering your frequent ad hominem attacks (and this is yet one more),
you seem to think that social coercion works well for establishing
engineering solutions or scientific truth.
That's a misconception.
So now I understand neither engineering nor science? I find that
assertion offensive, though unsurprising.
Social matters and matters of engineering or science are different things.
I am hardly ignorant of that, as you should know from my many past
writings on both aspects of Python usage. You are attempting to teach
your grandmother to suck eggs.
I am unsure at this stage what it would take to convince you that you
are not only wrong about several important aspects of Python but also
wrong-headed.
You might start by starting a thread about one such thing; I'll correct
you if you're wrong about something I know, or if you demonstrate that
I'm wrong about something, then I'll be happy to learn something, as
always.
It would be a nice change from your extreme focus on my person, if you
could manage to discuss something technical.
See below.
Whenever anyone points out any aspect of your behavior
which is unacceptable or ignorant you trot out this accusation that
people are making "ad hominem attacks" as though commenting on aspects
of your personality is an attempt to undermine your arguments.
That's an ad hominem attack, albeit a pretty silly one.
[facepalm]
Your behavior, with ad hominem, coercion, insinuations,
misrepresentations and so forth the basic ingredients, is completely
unacceptable to me, by the way.
It's like a bully in the schoolyard.
I am attempting to persuade, not to coerce.
It isn't. The two are orthogonal. Your arguments are wrong *and* you are
behaving like a pratt. A change in either one of these aspects would
improve matters, but each seems as unlikely as the other.
It also reflects rather badly on you.
Sigh. We're all out of step again, obviously.
If you had any argument that held regarding the technical, then I think
you (and I mean the singular you) would have tried it by now.
But instead, you engage in this bullying behavior.
My (technical) views on your insistence that Python's semantics require
the use of pointers to explain them is ongoing elsewhere, and remains
open for you to refute.
In this particular part of the thread I am attempting, unsuccessfully,
to convince you that a change in *your* behavior would lead to less
hostility directed towards the way you present your ideas.
You apparently feel it is quite acceptable to tell people to "learn to
read",
I have not used that expression.
However I have suggest and emphasized that it might help to *read* whatever one
quotes, when the quoted material (such as one paragraph) has not been read.
Telling someone to "learn to read" is a Steve Holden'sk way to imply that the
person is an ignoramus who hasn't bothered to learn to read. Telling a person to
read something that's obviously not been read is quite another matter. So, you
are misrepresenting -- again -- and in a quite revealing way, sorry.
and calling their assertions "bullshit",
Yes, in this group, but only for personal attacks.
Such as yours.
I think I've shown extreme restraint in the face of bullying from you and some
followers, and calling the insinuations bullshit is quite mild.
but when we try to point
out aspects of your behavior that are either undesirable or unacceptable
we are indulging in "ad hominem attacks".
That is an untrue and extremely misleading description of what you've been
doing.
In your terms, your accusing me of bullying behavior is an ad hominem
attack on me, so I won't bother to respond further.
You're complaining about the person you're hitting saying clearly what you did.
If some truthful words about bullying can get you straight I'm for it.
Even if it means getting down to your level (and yes, I did).
Cheers,
- Alf
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