Ivan Illarionov wrote:
On Sun, 25 May 2008 16:23:12 -0700, NC wrote:
I didn't say that it's not possible to write good code in PHP,
Indeed you didn't. You did, however, say that development in Python/
Django is inherently faster than development in PHP (your exact words
were, "2 man/year in PHP == 2 man/week in Python/Django", implying a
50-fold difference). This claim has just been obliterated using the
example you (not I) provided; my estimate of two man-years for
developing WordPress turns out to be fairly close to what has actually
gone into the development of Byteflow. In other words, so far we have
discovered no evidence of Python's (or PHP's, to be fair) superiority in
terms of developer's productivity.
In this case (excellent blogging tool), yes, I agree.
IMHO Python language is better designed
That is indeed a matter of opinion. You like (among other things)
immutable strings, the off-side rule, the idea that everything is an
object, and the fine distinction between mutable lists and immutable
tuples, and I have no problem with you liking these features, as long as
you agree that other people may have reasons to like the alternatives
better.
I agree. We like different things and it's good.
Yes, it's possible to write something clean in PHP but it would require
a lot more work.
In my opinion, it wouldn't, and in my experience, it doesn't. All you
need is to actually put a designer in charge of design. Additionally,
there are situations (rapid prototyping, for example) when
maintainability (the requirement behind the "clean code") is simply not
a concern.
It's hard to me to write good PHP. I feel happy programming in Python and
I felt very unhappy when I had to program in PHP. I'm glad that you have
a different experience.
Ivan
It's very easy for me to write good code in PHP. I can say the same for
a number of other good programmers I know.
As I've said before - good programmers can write good code in any language.
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