-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 05/14/2017 05:41 PM, Andrey Tretyakov wrote:
> On Sunday, May 14, 2017 at 11:14:10 PM UTC+8, Tres Seaver wrote: >> >> That would be your choice. The contributor agreement leaves intact >> your rights to your own contributions (you assign a half interest in >> the copyright, not the whole thing), and allows you to use the >> entire work under a permissive license. >> > IANAA, does it mean I retain full rights of my copy of the commit > (including right to relicense my copy) and Agendaless has the same > rights but to the commit itself ? You could indeed relicense your code. What you cannot do is change the license to the code as it exists within the repository: it will remain under the same license as the larger body of code. >> The point of the half assignment is to allow for a relicensing of >> the work, should such be required, without having to find and get >> agreement from dozens / hundreds of contributors. >> > > It is still unclear why would you need to change the license ? Many > projects pick a license once and keep using it without any issues. The > act of signing the agreement would just assure the non-revocable > nature of the commit, and everybody would have peace of mind. The ability to reclicense the code is an escape hatch for problems created by (hypothetical) future shifts in the legal / regulatory climate. Projects (e.g., the Linux kernel) which do *not* have a unitary owner capable of relicensing are indeed stuck with the initial license, even if issues arise with how it is interpreted in various jurisdictions around the world. >> We have had a number of discussions of the issue over the years, >> including talks with the SFC. There is no plan currently in place: >> it would require setting up a Pylons-project-specific organization, >> which would depend on having community members devote non-trivial >> amounts of effort to create and sustain it. >> > Why would it require pylons-specific org ? There are even 1-man > projects under the umbrella of SFC for example The discussions which project members had with the SFC did not bear fruit in the past, which isn't to say they couldn't be restarted: only that *I* (and Paul and Chris) won't be driving them. One sticking point was that there are literally scores of repositories under the `Pylons` and `repoze` organizations on Github, all published under the same license and using the same contribution regime. That meant that the "adopt a repository" model already pioneered by SFC for other projects did not work. >> None of the partners at Agendaless oppose the creation of such an >> organization, but none of us has the bandwidth / interest to drive >> its creation, either. If the community does get such an organiztion >> created, Agendaless will be pleased to transfer its copyrights in >> the Pylons / repoze software to it, assuming that the organization's >> bylaws were reasonable (a promise that the software would continue >> to be available under a simliarly-permissive license would be the >> only requirement I can think of now). >> > That is nice to hear > > Contributions will continue to require assignment of half interest. >> Should the hypothetical organization come into being, all that would >> change would be the target of that assignment. >> > But if there will be no umbrella foundation, it means the issue will > never be fixed, which is very disappointing. The current situation > promotes forking instead of contribution Only for the subset of the community who are too suspicious of Agendaless' stewardship of the code. Forks incur serious engineering costs over time, compared to collaboration: in my view, forking is a clear lose for both parties, compared to the (vanishingly tiny) risk that Agendaless would somehow do Something Evil(TM) with the code in the future. For one thing, iven the permissive license, *anybody* can do Something Evil with the code: that is just the nature of the beast. 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