@Paul hiring is hard all around in my experience. I generally just look for good programmers. People who know programming have no problem picking up Python and Pyramid.
On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Paul Winkler <[email protected]> wrote: > FWIW (very little) I have worked in a couple of Django shops here in NYC, > and I find it hard to hire enough good Django devs because it's a > job-seeker's market here, and it seems Django is getting "boring" to a lot > of people. One way companies compete for talent is by having more > interesting technologies in use. Pyramid might be a win in that regard. > But I have no experience hiring for Pyramid devs yet, so I really can't say > for sure - it's an untested hypothesis. > > On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Paul Everitt <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> I think this is a reasonable and useful post. Likely moreso than this >> response. :) >> >> It’s quite useful to look at the “whole product” instead of just the >> “product” (to use jargon from Crossing the Chasm.) Can you get enough >> ecosystem for the surface area of the thing you are using? >> >> One factor that mitigates against this, though, is when you are building >> your own thing with its own surface area. If your thing is small, and most >> of the surface area you need to deal with is in Pyramid/Rails/Django/Flask, >> then that’s the place you need sanity. >> >> But if *your* thing has a big surface area, then *your* thing needs >> sanity. Pyramid is very good at this framework-framework picture, helping >> you build your own thing that is sane. >> >> Not only that, but Pyramid by definition attracts people to its community >> that care about those issues: scalable, maintainable systems that are >> well-built by adults. Other systems might win on quantity, but a >> distressingly high percentage of those have a distressingly naive worldview. >> >> —Paul >> >> On Dec 9, 2014, at 10:52 AM, Jacob Hite <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Building a startup with a small team, how to decide between using Pyramid >> (or possibly Django) or Ruby? >> >> This may be an impossible question to answer and I'm probably asking on a >> biased list. >> >> I've worked a lot before on Pyramid and generally like it. It was fast >> and very flexible, but missing some things (Django's admin...). The missing >> things though are usually the key to Pyramid's flexiblity. There also seems >> to be some cruft left over from repoze and other stuff that seem out of >> place and ugly in the elegant Pyramid world. >> >> I've never written any Ruby or RoR other than trivial tutorial code, but >> it seems fine and just as sufficient as Pyramid. I do slightly prefer >> Python language syntax, but I can get over that. >> >> My main concern is working with a framework that has a great online >> community and actively moving forward and has lots of experienced >> developers to hire from. >> >> When I look at Google and Github trends and look at StackOverflow tags, >> RoR overwhelmingly beats Pyramid. I think this is due to Python being so >> fractured. Many competing frameworks (Django, Pyramid, Flask, Bottle, etc, >> etc) probably lower Pyramid's trend and tag levels. Django certainly >> dominates Python web frameworks. >> >> In Github I still see lots of active commits to Pyramid. But I'm a bit >> concerned, and I can speak personally on this...most of the most big name, >> active Pyramid contributers seemed to have disappeared from answering >> questions on StackOverflow. >> >> I guess I'm trying to get a solid handle on the current state and >> progress of Pyramid. Can anyone point me in the right direction here? >> >> Is it time to slide over to Django or make the jump to RoR? >> >> I have a personal preference for Pyramid because of positive past >> experiences with it and lack of experience with other frameworks. But this >> isn't about me. This is about building out a startup company quickly and >> being able to attract experienced talent with the decided on technologies. >> >> Apologies for the long-winded, open-ended question, but I would >> appreciate any responses that can give me a 'heartbeat' on the current >> Pyramid state of the union. >> >> Many thanks in advance. >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "pylons-discuss" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/pylons-discuss. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "pylons-discuss" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/pylons-discuss. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > > -- > http://www.slinkp.com > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "pylons-discuss" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/pylons-discuss. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pylons-discuss" group. 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