I can say he probably felt threatened. Two attackers...one goes high, the
other low...you are on the ground with an angry mob around you. He did what
he had to do. I doubt he will be disciplined at all, as he shouldn't be.

John

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
Of Michael Oke, II
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 2:49 PM
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Subject: Re: [OT] Don't push cops around



Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
> On 18/06/2010 01:22 p.m., Michael Oke, II wrote:
>> First of all, she isn't "half his size" at all.  She is every bit as big
>> as he is and he, a lone officer may well have felt threatened.
> 
> LOL

Can you say that you know whether or not he felt threatened at the 
moment?  Obviously he felt some level of threat as he had called in for 
assistance.

> 
>>    Just why
>> was it that they felt that they didn't have to obey his request?  Are
>> they permitted to do as they wish with no regard for the law?
> 
> Of course they are! And then a *judge* has to look at what happens and 
> apply the law. A cop is not entitled to "punish" anyone, breaking the 
> law or not.
> FYI, did you know the law does not prohibit anything? It just states 
> what are the penalties. It is not forbidden to kill a person. It's just 
> that if you get caught you get so many years in prison.
> 

And if they do then they will have to deal with the repercussions, one 
op those happened to be getting punched in the face in this instance.

>>    Had they
>> done as requested, they may well have walked away with nothing more than
>> a warning or, at worst, a ticket.  Heck, the reporter even relayed that
>> the chief stated that a punch was an acceptable technique to use and
>> escalation of force was a judgment call for the officer or officers
>> involved in an altercation.
>>    
> 
> Of course. Verra masculine thing to do too.
> 

Made no judgment as to whether it was masculine or not.

>> As for chivalry, nothing that I saw in that video suggested that either
>> of those women deserved any such treatment.
>>
>>    
> 
> It is not that the women deserve the treatment. If you were a gentleman 
> you'd know you treat women as ladies not because they may deserve it or 
> not, but because *you* deserve it. But I see there is no point 
> explaining the finer details when I plainly see you don't even get the 
> spirit of it.
> 

Who is to say that he didn't begin in that manner?  We don't know 
because the video does not show us the initiation of the interaction 
between the parties.  Once they fail to demonstrate appropriate 
responses *I* no longer am required to extend the courtesy.  A better 
reason for you not to bother explaining the finer details would be cause 
you have nothing to teach me as relates to this subject matter.

::michael

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