On Jan 23, 2007, at 8:55 AM, Charlie Coleman wrote:
> To be brief I would say no, they are not Catholic. In your terms,
> you'd
> call them hypocrites. Again, one person can't know for sure what is in
> another's heart. But if a called to make a judgement, you would
> have to go
> on what is observed (realizing that such a judgement could not be 100%
> certain).
>
> This sort of gets back to where we differed about people's actions
> and how
> they relate to religion. In my understanding of Christianity, your
> 'works'
> have absolutely no chance of obtaining salvation for you. What is
> important
> is what is in your "heart". If you accept you're a sinner, and that
> God's
> Grace is what saves you, that is where salvation comes from. The
> thing is,
> once you accept that and make it part of you, "good works" become a
> natural
> outpouring of your gratitude.
I'm confused now. First you claim that what is observed in a
person's actions are the defining criterion for determining if
someone is a Christian or not. Then you go on to say that actions are
meaningless; what counts is what someone believes, whether or not
that belief actually results in the outpouring you describe.
By your first definition, I'm a Christian, because I happen to agree
with the relevant portions of Christ's message and try to act
accordingly, but by the second I'm most definitely not. I suppose
that I should be rooting for the second, huh? ;-)
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