I'm really not arguing for its own sake, though it feels that way a bit.
I'm trying to understand your issues.


On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Allen <[email protected]> wrote:

8 would be ok if they had left the start
> menu as an alternative and left out those cruddy apps. Mail is the worse
> mail prog I have seen.
>

So, in other words, Windows 8 would be great if they didn't change it from
Windows 7.



> That's why I mentioned Android and not apples do what we
> say OS. The point was that Android could do a lot of good for Linux on the
> desktop.


This confuses me. AndroidOS is a mangled Java Virtual Machine running on
top of a hacked Linux kernel. Last I heard, and I don't follow it that
closely, Google was slow about getting all the bits they'd hacked back into
the source projects.

Linux on the desktop, imho, is a disaster. GNOME3 and KDE4 went off in
their own directions and mangled the simple desktop metaphor, introduced a
bunch of arbitrary conventions, and annoyed their user base. Simpler
desktops like LXDE seem to be doing okay.

I avoid most of the widgets designed for only a single desktop and try to
run browsers, LibreOffice and terminals.

So, Allen, are you trying to develop desktop apps or web apps or mobile
apps, and what is it that a Visual Studio gives you that you feel is
missing on the Linux platform?


> And no I won't touch apple. I already wasted my money on an ipants.
>

I don't know what an ipants is, but I could imagine a touch interface could
get you into trouble in public :)


> Well good for you if that's what you want. I like VS and I would say so do
> many other people. If something came up on Linux making programming easier
> (for me) I would certainly think on it.
>

I pretty much walked away from IDEs after struggling with RadRails and
Eclipse. This was partly my fault, as getting a good Java on Fedora was
difficult at the time, and I think I crossed the beams on whether the OS or
the Eclipse package manager should be handling the Eclipse configuration
and things went downhill from there.

But, I'm genuinely curious: what is it you want to do on Linux and how do
you find the current crop of IDEs not up to the task?


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