On 11/16/2012 06:07 AM, Charlie Coleman wrote:
At 05:59 AM 11/15/2012 -0600, lelandj wrote:
On 11/15/2012 03:12 AM, Michael Madigan wrote:
She was set up by the White House.
I don't think so. It was the CIA that feed Susan Rice the faulty information,
if it was in fact faulty. I'm not sure who arranged to have her appear on Meet
the Press shortly thereafter. The investigation of the Benghazi attack
continues,
...
Anyway, It also seems to me that David Petraeus was setup by the intelligence
community. After the FBI found evidence of an extra Martial affair, and
confirmed it by confronting both CIA Director David Petraeus and Paula
Broadwell ,
...
...If the CIA really wanted to protect Petraeus, his affair could have remained
under wraps...
No, no a thousand times no. Absolutely every citizen of the United States needs
to demand truth from its leaders. I don't care if it's a local County official,
the head of the FBI, a popular Republican Senator, or the President. Every
single governmental official is living off the blood and sweat of others. They
should have no rights above ours, and in fact should be held to a much higher
standard of conduct. The mistakes they make can have far-reaching impacts to
the whole nation.
Charlie, this the USA; not Iraq, Iran, or Afghanistan. You need to be able to
distinguish between moral issue and legal issues. In some countries these two
separate things become entangled. You should also recognize the difference
between civil law and criminal law. You should also recognize that a person's
personal life is separate from their life on the job, and each of us has the a
right, under the USA Constitution, to keep our personal life private. Rights of
every American should fall under the same standard. Nobody should be afforded
special right and privileges, nor should anyone be subject to a higher standard
that normal. This requires equal treatment.
The scale of justice should be both blind and balanced. ---- Leland Jackson
So, no, politicians, political appointees, judges, all of them need to be held
to the highest standards. We've stopped doing that and we're in a decline
because of it.
I'm not seeing it. Could you give me some verifiable examples.
Petraeus may have done a lot of good things but his resignation is appropriate.
And the revealing of it by the Intelligence Community is absolutely right and
just. Let's hope that the thousands of other politicians take note and try to
clean up their act. At least while they're in office. And let's hope the
Intelligence Community continues to monitor all officials' correspondence and
brings the truth to light.
Why should one group of Americans be held to a higher standard than the whole.
Why should the government, including the intelligence community, be allow to
meddle into the personal affairs of Americans? LOL - pun intended. The
founding fathers of the USA, having experienced first hand persecution,
torture, alienation, and other injustice from their governments, put strong
privacy protections into the USA Constitution to protect Americans against an
overreaching government.
But Leland's thoughts reflect the general sentiment of the country. Since Clinton got away with lying about
his affair the nation has dropped it's expectations of elected officials dramatically (no it wasn't
"all" Clinton's fault, we have been declining for probably 40 years - but the Clinton debacle was a
leap downwards). People in the US need to wake up. But I'm sure they won't. We've been dumbed down to blindly
accept what the boob-tube spouts out in 15-second sound-bites. We don't want to "question" and
"think" - we want to be entertained. We want promises that we'll get something for nothing. We
certainly don't want to hear about working hard and moral issues. And for some reason we believe the wealthy
has cheated the rest of us and that they should be forced to give up their money/property to be fair.
Adversaries of the US and democracy in general can rejoice. The Great Experiment is winding down, proving out
once again that man's greed and jealousy outweigh his inte
