Dnia 18.03.2023 o godz. 23:54:28 Steffen Nurpmeso via Postfix-users pisze: > Eh, no. I do not do either. (Granted i use PayPal one, two times > a month, but my bank account is not online-enabled.) > I _never_ shopped online. This destroys local pharmacies, shops, > small (hopefully) good jobs that sometimes exist for centuries. > Western world cities have become faceless culture-free concrete > djungles with McDonald's smell for kilometres. No.
Well... if you could just buy the things you *absolutely need* anywhere else than online... if it were so simple... Sorry, but this is the reality, at least where I live. The local shops have already been by large part destroyed by online shopping. It's too late. You can't buy anything in a local shop if the shop doesn't sell it. Nowadays only the most popular and mass-bought items are available in physical shops. If you need anything that is a bit less popular, you *have* to buy it online. Sorry, that's it. Two examples from last weeks: OMTP to CTIA headphone adapter for a mobile phone? A replacement battery for a used laptop I just bought (in a physical shop btw.)? No chance to get anywhere else than online. And I live in a large city. What should people in rural areas say? And as for the banking, I never understand the people who don't do online banking. You have to constantly pay for something - electricity, Internet, rent, insurance, telephone etc. - all this happens by transferring money to some account. There's a dozen of these payments each month. Do you really want to go to the bank (or to a post office), stand there in a long line to pay for this in cash or fill in a money transfer form on paper and give it to the clerk, instead of doing it conveniently from your computer whenever you have time? > |Second, most web browsers nowadays (as well as mail clients) support TLS > |v1.2 since long time, so it's of course very little probability that \ > |someone > |who uses so outdated browser that it doesn't support TLS v1.2 will try to > |access your website, *and*: a) either that person will complain to you, or > |b) you will notice it in your httpd logs. > > Sorry i do not understand a word. Long time TLSv1.2, yes. I mean, if your website requires TLSv1.2 (because you mentioned lighthttpd, I assume you run some website), for you to notice any problems with it, the following conditions must be met: a) there is a person who is interested in accessing your website and at the same time uses a very outdated browser that doesn't suppport TLSv1.2 and either b) that person complains to you (eg. via e-mail) that he/she can't connect or c) you will notice browsing your httpd logs that some client was unable to connect due to incompatible TLS version. Only if a) and b) or a) and c) are met simultaneously, you will notice that there are any problems. There is very little probability that this will happen. Even a) alone isn't very probable, because there's a small number of people using so old browsers, and how many of them are interested in your particular website? But even if a) alone occurs, you will not notice any problems until b) or c) occurs as well. So it is quite obvious that you don't notice any problems. > For _me_ it works in practice and there is no fallout. I get > anything i need / expect. If you have to take care for some elder > servers then this is surely a problem you have to solve, > especially if it is your business. I'm not talking about any server that I take care for. I'm talking about a server of a company from which I receive emails, as their customer. Their server can negotiate only TLSv1 with my server. Anyway, it's better than if they would send their mail unencrypted. And they would, if I set *my* server to TLSv1.2 minimum (which I don't do). -- Regards, Jaroslaw Rafa r...@rafa.eu.org -- "In a million years, when kids go to school, they're gonna know: once there was a Hushpuppy, and she lived with her daddy in the Bathtub." _______________________________________________ Postfix-users mailing list -- postfix-users@postfix.org To unsubscribe send an email to postfix-users-le...@postfix.org
