I'm still a bit vague on some of this, but I think I have enough I can set
up some tests and figure it out . Thanks.

Incidentally, I do have "smtp_delay_reject = yes", which *delays* the
processing. But I appears that none of the smtpd_*_restrictions (if
specified) are skipped. Which I find handy for controlling how they are
applied to different addresses.

On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 12:02 PM, Viktor Dukhovni <
postfix-us...@dukhovni.org> wrote:

>
> > On Apr 20, 2017, at 2:40 PM, J. Johnson <jj001....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I distrust access(5), but that's just a detail of db format; I think
> what you mean is the
> > several access list checks available in the smtpd_*_restrictions.
>
> The interface documented in access(5) is a database-independent key/value
> abstraction.  Yes, where I said access(5) I also meant to cover the various
> built-in restrictions that are not table driven.  All the processing is
> applied to each recipient.
>
> > As I replied to Philip,
> > I think this depends on what point in the delivery process postfix
> replicates the
> > message for additional recipients.
>
> That's easy, the message is not replicated at all.  All deliveries read
> from a
> single multi-recipient queue file.  The message envelope splits on
> delivery,
> when not all the recipients are destined to the same place or fit in a
> single
> transaction.
>
> > From what you say I gather this occurs early, either in the helo stage,
> or immediately
> > following.
>
> There is no split.  The "RCPT TO" SMTP command is processed for each
> recipient
> and that recipient is either rejected or accepted at that time, largely
> independently
> of other recipients (DISCARD and a few other special actions that affect
> the whole
> message aside).
>
> > The problem is, I want to start blacklisting at the client stage, which
> makes the
> > whitelisting a little dicey.
>
> It is unwise to blacklist at the SMTP banner and often not effective,
> because
> many MTAs will defer mail rejected at connect or HELO.  This and other
> reasons
> is why Postfix has "smtp_delay_reject = yes", you should not change this
> setting
> in most cases.
>
> --
>         Viktor.
>
>

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