On 10/27/2015 06:10 PM, Bill Cole wrote:
On 27 Oct 2015, at 12:40, Marco Stoecker wrote:


[...]

I do need some assistance, as this is very new for me.
Thx in advance.
So this is the "Received" header of 5 out of 5 messages. I can't see where the duplication happend :-(

Maybe this abridgment will help, reducing each to the first & second
Received headers:

message1:
[...]
Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.3]) by mx.kundenserver.de (mxeue002)
with ESMTPS (Nemesis) id 0MVE1V-1a1cd42azt-00YP1m for
<ak-lei...@waldorfkindergarten-erlangen.de>; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 10:37:47 +0200 Received: from Klamotten ([84.168.195.183]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb003) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MTh7A-1Zy14E1g36-00QRsw; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 10:37:47
+0200


message2:
[...]
Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.3]) by mx.kundenserver.de (mxeue002)
with ESMTPS (Nemesis) id 0M4zk6-1ajnCX2Rpe-00zFbN for
<vorst...@waldorfkindergarten-erlangen.de>; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 10:37:47 +0200 Received: from Klamotten ([84.168.195.183]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb003) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MTh7A-1Zy14E1g36-00QRsw; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 10:37:47
+0200


message3:
[...]
Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.3]) by mx.kundenserver.de (mxeue002)
with ESMTPS (Nemesis) id 0MIWPn-1ZovKO2jl9-004F6W for
<kolleg...@waldorfkindergarten-erlangen.de>; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 10:37:47 +0200 Received: from Klamotten ([84.168.195.183]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb003) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MTh7A-1Zy14E1g36-00QRsw; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 10:37:47
+0200


message4:
[...]
Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.3]) by mx.kundenserver.de (mxeue002)
with ESMTPS (Nemesis) id 0M1Oy9-1adzmM2xGD-00tS34 for
<gruppensprec...@waldorfkindergarten-erlangen.de>; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 10:37:47
+0200
Received: from Klamotten ([84.168.195.183]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb003) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MTh7A-1Zy14E1g36-00QRsw; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 10:37:47
+0200


message5:
[...]
Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.3]) by mx.kundenserver.de (mxeue002)
with ESMTPS (Nemesis) id 0MKz7Q-1ZpBNb35bE-0006Vb for
<beis...@waldorfkindergarten-erlangen.de>; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 10:37:47 +0200 Received: from Klamotten ([84.168.195.183]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb003) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MTh7A-1Zy14E1g36-00QRsw; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 10:37:47
+0200


In short: a machine using the IP address 84.168.195.183 and claiming
to have the bogus name 'Klamotten ' passed a single message to a mail
server calling itself both 'smtp.web.de' and 'mrweb003' for which the
server used the id '0MTh7A-1Zy14E1g36-00QRsw' and which was then
passed to to the mail server mx.kundenserver.de by a mail system
claiming to be mout.web.de *FIVE DIFFERENT TIMES*, each time with one
of *FIVE DIFFERENT RECIPIENTS*

This gives the impression that the user of "Klamotten" (apparently a
DTAG residential customer) addressed that single message to 5
different recipients and the *.web.de mail complex split the single
message into 5 discrete but mostly identical messages (except for the
ensuing Receives headers) for onward transport. That's inefficient,
but not formally wrong. It may be that the server mx.kundenserver.de
refuses to accept multi-recipient messages and so the split was
imposed upon, rather than being chosen by, the mout.web.de server.

As I understand now, the mail from the sender (machine Klamotte) is delivered to the smtp server from web.de which than is delivered to 1und1 (mx.kundenserver). From there fetchmail is getting it and delivered it to my postfix server, which than delivered it to mailman. After mailman handled it, it is than sending to the mailing list recipients vie postfix again. If postfix already gets 5 messages, than I will check then handover from fetchmail to postfix and also the message, before it gets to fetchmail.

BR
Marco

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