Am 04.10.2013 13:43, schrieb LuKreme:
> On 03 Oct 2013, at 12:48 , micah <mi...@riseup.net> wrote:
>> Providing a TLS-wrapped, from the beginning, port is better than offering 
>> STARTTLS.
> 
> No, it really isn’t.
> 
> I’m not clear on what problem you ae trying to solve. You seem to want “mo 
> security” without 
> any evidence that the current security is insufficient.

keep in mind you are very new in context of mailservers

http://www.postfix.org/CVE-2011-0411.html

>> SMTP over TLS uses the same TLS protocol that is also used to encrypt
>> traffic between web clients and web servers. But, there is a subtle
>> difference in the way TLS is used, and that makes this flaw possible

yes this is fixed, but without the plaintext start it would not have been 
possible

> And rejecting plain text email acceptance? Well’s you might as well not have 
> a mailserver.

he is speaking about *submission* which is *always* authenticated and
there it is a good idea to enforce encryption if you rae in the position
to start with a new mailserver and need not to care about existing
client configurations which would break if you enforce it later

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