On 27/11/2010, at 06:59, Michael J Wise wrote:

>> Microsoft pay no heed to standards, ...
> 
> Microsoft pays heed to standards, or a lot of the Internet just wouldn't work.

This does seem a bit funny, given the subject under discussion. I understand 
that it is a big gorilla, and hard to turn on a dime, if at all. I also 
understand that it is a complex infrastructure consisting of a mix of frontend 
and backend servers, load balancers etcetera.

But put your money where your mouth is, I'd say ;-)  Working 'postmaster' 
accounts for the 'frontbridge.com' and 'bigfish.com' domains, read by clueful 
people would be a good start, instead of the bounce I got when we tried to 
report the PIPELINING issue on November 8th;

  <postmas...@frontbridge.com>: host 10.9.14.23[10.9.14.23] said: 550
     <postmas...@frontbridge.com>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in
     virtual mailbox table (in reply to RCPT TO command)
  Reporting-MTA: dns; mail15-tx2-R.bigfish.com
  X-Postfix-Queue-ID: 295AE2E03D4
  X-Postfix-Sender: rfc822; supp...@ur.nl
  Arrival-Date: Mon,  8 Nov 2010 21:18:23 +0000 (UTC)

Or the runaround we got when we tried alternate channels to report a problem, 
last year, with missing DNS records for some of the nodes in the cluster. The 
person it eventually got to wanted to know why we wanted to contact 
'postmas...@bigfish.com', when he got the (fully documented) problem right 
there in the same e-mail. Another November 8th, actually, perhaps that's just a 
bad date over there ;-)

We currently have a '*.bigfish.com' exception in place for our EHLO resolve 
check, and for the PIPELINING problem we've got this in our 'main.cf';

==
# Added to deal with MS Frontbridge madness (2010/11/08 21:50)
smtp_discard_ehlo_keywords = pipelining
==

I bet most of the people here are not interested in Microsoft bashing, they 
just want to keep the spice flowing. And given Microsoft's history, this being 
ANOTHER problem in a long line of issues the average mail admin has had to deal 
with with regard to Microsoft products and services, without being able to get 
a proper response from a human being ... perhaps you can understand where some 
of that frustration originates :-)

Anyway, thanks for the response, and the effort you're putting in. Hope you'll 
be able to make a fix happen.

Cya,
Jona

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