On Fri, 13 Aug 2010, jason hirsh wrote:

when I stop debugging I won't this is the third instance of I have had of "lost mail" and teh first that I had the address so I can chase it down

You didn't lose any mail. The upstream server did. You can't fix other server's problems and until you accept the mail (you didn't), it's not yours to lose.

The sender said to my client that he sent the message .. he was unaware it was rejected
I would like to reject it back to the sender so he knows..

You did reject it. Notification is the job of the last MTA to accept the message. A rejecting MTA cannot provide any notification back to the sender without it being at serious risk of being a backscatter source.

That the upstream MTA failed to properly notify the sender is not, let me make that clear, IS NOT your problem to solve. If the sender is complaining to you, you need to tell him or her that your system rejected the message (which is your right) and that failure to notify him or her of the rejection is a failure by a server not under your control. He needs to complain to his provider as to why the upstream server (most likely the one he is sending via or if not, very near it) is not properly notifying him.

if I can't notify senders of rejects it sure beats searching logs for rejects

Are you new to this? Because given the level of spam and other crud on the Internet, with any kind of anti-spam/anti-virus controls in place, you should be (or soon will be) rejecting hundreds if not thousands of messages per day.

-- Larry Stone
   lston...@stonejongleux.com

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