Stroller wrote:
>
>
> On 27 Jan 2009, at 02:41, MountainX wrote:
>> MacShane, Tracy wrote:
>>> ...
>>> Personally, I wonder why you're using Postfix at all if you're just
>>> sending and receiving mail via Gmail. Postfix is a full-blown MTA,
>>> so it
>>> seems like a lot of overkill for mail you could collect via IMAP/
>>> POP using
>>> the mail client of your preference.
>>>
>>
>> Well, now that Postfix is almost working the way I want, it would
>> require
>> more time to switch to something else. But you have aroused my
>> curiosity.
>> What is a simple solution that will allow my Linux server to send all
>> notifications (such as those generated by system events or otherwise
>> and
>> addressed to root @localhost or any other user account) to me at my
>> gmail
>> account without using Postfix?
>
> ssmtp is usually the recommended solution, although I don't know if it
> accommodates whatever authentication / ssl is required by Gmail.
>
> * mail-mta/ssmtp
> Available versions: *2.61-r2 [M]~2.61-r30 [M]~2.61-r31
> Homepage: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/
> ssmtp/
> Description: Extremely simple MTA to get mail off the
> system to a Mailhub
>
> Stroller.
>
>
>
Thank you, Stroller. I will look into ssmtp. However, I do have Postfix
working with Gmail, TLS, etc. so I am reluctant to make a wholesale change
just now.
Regarding my message in this thread from yesterday, I need to clarify one
thing I wrote yesterday. I did NOT say my time is worth more than yours. I
do not believe that and I did not write that.
My thoughts were that an individual's time is best spent in the areas where
that individual can have the greatest impact for good. For many people here,
if you are passionate about Postfix and/or if Postfix plays a central role
in your career, honing and sharing your Postfix knowledge may be one way you
can have a significant positive impact on others. After all, email
communication is critical in today's world. And so are individual open
source projects. In my view, an individual is fulfilling his or her purpose
when she is working on something that comes natural and that she feel
passionate about, that she enjoys and that she is good at. For some of you,
that is Postfix and related computing areas. For me, that is other areas.
I do often spend time (many hours a day sometimes) answering questions
online (for free) in my area of expertise. When a lawyer or financier or
other professional (or not) wants me to give them an answer (and they don't
want to invest significant time and energy to acquire that answer), I try to
give them an appropriate answer. I can't always do it, but I enjoy trying. I
recognize that I benefit by answering questions for others (in my spare
time).
I do think Shuttleworth and Ubuntu set a gold standard, and I don't think it
is because they cater to newbie (or only desktop) users. It is probably
highly unfair of me to compare this list or any other with the Ubuntu forums
(and even the Ubuntu forums are far from perfect). Maybe I'm just in that
phase where, in my enthusiasm for non-proprietary software, I'm being
unrealistic in expecting everyone involved in an open source project to feel
as excited about, and as welcoming of, the future possibilities and
opportunities for change as I do.
In my opinion, the opportunity for Linux to rise to greater heights starts
with attitude. I believe Mark Shuttleworth recognizes that. The Ubuntu
community didn't evolve the way it has by accident -- it was by design.
I believe the (false) idea that a person (without much background in the
subject) asking questions about Postfix (and wanting simple cook-book-style
answers) has only two choices -- do a lot of time-consuming work or pay an
expert -- is harmful to the potential growth of open source. This attitude
is elitist. There is a third choice -- an expert can choose to spend a few
moments to give an appropriate response. I do this in my area of expertise
all the time. (I don't do it for all people and I do ignore some questions,
of course -- and any one of you are free to ignore me.)
I do still have specific Postfix questions. And I hope I have not offended
the majority of people on this list. I have received help over the last two
days that I value greatly. The reply above from Stroller is a perfect
example. I had never heard of ssmtp three days ago. Now I know it exists and
I can find more on Google.
The reason I think (hope) a discussion such as the one is not off topic is
because it relates to the manner in which I (or any newbie) can expect to
interact with this list in the future.
I guess the best advice I would give myself is (while on this list) to focus
my attention on those people who generously offer me useful responses; and
ignore those people who (incorrectly) tell me that I don't value their time
or that I should 1) become a Postfix expert or 2) pay them to answer every
question.
Even after I wrote my long message yesterday (which probably didn't help my
immediate goal of solving my issue re: addressing emails), people on this
list continue to provide me concise and valuable feedback to my questions
and I want to express my sincere gratitude for that. I believe the majority
of people on this list do in fact measure up to my self-imposed and
not-necessarily appropriate gold-standard of how the open source community
can ideally function. (And it is only my own failing that I focused any
attention on the people who expressed what I felt were throw-back
attitudes.)
So, thank you and I hope you continue to answer my questions :) I'll do my
best to be a positive presence on this list as I continue attempting to
refine my Postfix installation.
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