On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 2:14 PM, mouss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> D G Teed wrote:
>
>>
>> What makes you believe I'm listed? I got a single report
>> of a complaint.  Have you not used the spamcop
>> web interface before?
>>
>>  never ever. should I?


No, but as you said, some people report the wrong problem
and I'd like to check.  I guess if your mail server
eats all email and you have no users whose accounts
get compromised by phishing then you'd never need
to see the spamcop report, even occasionally.


> We send non-delivery responses.
>>
>
> if these are "user does not exist" or "filter thinks this is spam/virus"
> and the like, then you are a backscatter source.


I don't think we "send" NDRs as emails originating here.
I think we reject emails.  Maybe you can tell me.

I test emailed a bogus address at work from home.  My home ISP's
SMTP server sent back a NDR, not my work's MX server.
Inside the NDR from my home ISP's SMTP,
I see reference to the name of one of the workplace MX servers,
but the Reporting-MTA is that of the home ISP, not work's MX.


>
>  If someone emailed
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED], it will reject,
>> saying that user doesn't exist.  Our users expect this feature.
>> If we told them bad addresses will cause email to be lost without
>> notification, they would not be happy.
>>
>>
> if address is typoeduser, then reject it during the smtp transaction while
> the "untrusted" client is still connected. once you accept mail, you should
> no more send bounces, except in few controlled situations.
>
> sure, losing mail is bad. but you should reject mail during the smtp
> transaction. if your postfix is a lreay server and you can't get the
> relay_recipient_maps, then you can use reject_unverified_recipient (only for
> selected domains).
>

In this thread I've posted my postconf -n output.

We user virtual_alias_maps and
smtpd_client_restrictions = reject_unlisted_recipient
is at the beginning of our list of restrictions.

This causes email to be rejected for non-delivery.  We do not
relay to our Exchange or Cyrus server only to find out
at that stage the email address does not exist.  Our mapping
file (virtual_alias_maps) is the complete list of all addresses and
what final server they go to.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]            [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Does this not achieve the same result as using relay_recipient_maps ?

--Donald

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