On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 9:21 PM Esteban Lorenzano <esteba...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hello, > > I’m talking on behalf of the Pharo Board here. > As start, we accepted Serge’s proposition without actually discussing it much > because we didn’t think it was going to be really a problem. Our community > has been self-regulating since the beginning and we were doing it fine until > now. Once or twice we (the board) needed to act, but never had a real > situation as the ones the CoC tries to cover. > So, we can say we opened the umbrella without rain, just in case. > > Now, after observe the situation, we have decided to retract the code. But > sadly, we cannot just remove it and let things continue as before because as > it’s know “it you open a can or worms, you will need a bigger can to put them > back in”. Which means now we need a code of conduct. > > So we are going to take the simplest one we could find that still can serve > our community, you can see it here: > > https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/4660 > > This PR will be accepted, but as anything in our community, you can still > discuss it and propose modifications. > Just remember be respectful of people disagreeing with your ideas :) > > Cheers, > Esteban > > PS: As personal note: I blocked a github user that insulted a member of our > community, a user who did not had history with us (or any other visible > project), who did not had a name or ways to contact him so I assumed it was > just another troll. Now, he identifies himself here... I will unblock him, > but that does not means the kind of disrespectful messages he sent can be > sent :) > >
Hi, Thank you for taking care of this. I find this CoC better than the previous one but there is one point that I would like to discuss. > «removing issues, comments, and PRs or blocking accounts as deemed > appropriate.» I am not sure that removing completly the content is good. I already saw communities using this as a way of moderating content and it caused two unwanted consequences: - The moderators deleted abusivly contents saying it did not respect the CoC without letting the person explain itself or discuting if if was a real disrespect of the CoC - The people getting their post removed used that to act as a martyr since the proof of their disrespect vanished and since they say they are victim of censure. I am the most worried about the second consequence. I solution adopted by some communities is to remove the messages from the original source to not promote disrespect, but keep a version in a "Moderated content" section. For the Pharo community we could for example have a github repository, or a folder files.pharo.org or any other public solution called "Moderated content" were we could save the screens of the removed comments. This would act as proof of the disespect and prevent the apparition of martyrs. What do you think about this? -- Cyril Ferlicot https://ferlicot.fr
