Hi Craig,

Great, thanks! The minimal example seems to load fast enough. Do you think 
there is a potential to slim it down even further for a production system that 
uses the DOM as its UI, ie remove morphic and others and use the image in 
headless mode?

Thanks for the offer to work together on the Pharo port. It is too early for me 
to commit to that, but I definitely like the idea. Right now I'm just checking 
out. I'd like to use Pharo's (or Squak's) interactive development workflow to 
develop single page web apps and mobile apps in a reliable manner. 

Is there a way to run the IDE in a separate window from the actual application, 
so that the UI would behave as in production during development? I'm especially 
thinking of responsive web applications here. 

(If not then perhaps putting them into divs next to each other might be a 
decent workaround)

Cheers,
Siemen 

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> On 19 Jul 2018, at 14.25, Craig Latta <cr...@blackpagedigital.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Siemen--
> 
>> What is the status of Caffeine now - is it production-ready with
>> Pharo, and how large is a minimal (not development) image with
>> everything required to run a production system - i.e. what would be
>> the load time of a Caffeine web app?
> 
>     I'm using Caffeine in production with Squeak; there are a few bugs
> to deal with in Pharo. Would you like to work together on it?
> 
>     A minimal system is a few hundred kilobytes, depending on the
> application. The VR app I'm doing now is fairly large and loads in 10
> seconds. A small app should take about two seconds. The mini image demo
> at [1] is a good approximation.
> 
>     Please feel free to join in on Caffeine issues, at [2].
> 
> 
>     thanks,
> 
> -C
> 
> [1] https://squeak.js.org/demo/simple.html#fullscreen
> [2] https://github.com/ccrraaiigg/ccrraaiigg.github.io/issues
> 
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> Black Page Digital
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