"And don’t tell me you count the windows developers that are driven away from a user program like PharoLauncher that is not working properly."
Why not? On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 11:05 AM Norbert Hartl <norb...@hartl.name> wrote: > > > Am 18.06.2018 um 19:19 schrieb horrido <horrido.hobb...@gmail.com>: > > Developers are users, and many users are developers. > > Ah, I’m not sure what value this sentence adds. The point is that the > market share you were referring to is users that are not developers. > > What kind of developers are you counting? Microsoft/Windows/.NET developers > represent a huge number, especially in the enterprise market. If these > developers are going to explore alternative tools like Java, Ruby, Pharo, > Common Lisp, etc., they'll be doing it in Windows. > > Developers under macOS are mostly focussed on macOS, iOS, Objective-C, and > Swift. They are no more predisposed to looking at Pharo than developers > under Windows. Is this not perfectly logical? > > Ok, let’s try to other way round. If there are many developers in windows > why is the pharo stuff for windows so badly supported? It does indeed mean > that either there aren’t many or they lack the expertise (or are too lazy) > to improve stuff in pharo. And don’t tell me you count the windows > developers that are driven away from a user program like PharoLauncher that > is not working properly. > > Norbert > > > NorbertHartl wrote > > Am 18.06.2018 um 16:16 schrieb horrido < > > > horrido.hobbies@ > > > >: > > > Lack of enough Windows users? What platform are most Pharoers using? > > I'm using macOS, but this platform has only about 12% market share. Linux > has about 2%. > > Your mixing users and developers. I don’t have numbers but I’m pretty sure > if you count developers windows does not have that big of a market share. > For squeak/pharo especially I guess Mac was always the preferred platform. > > > Norbert > > > Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote > > On 18 Jun 2018, at 15:39, Herbert Vojčík < > > > herby@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > horrido wrote on 18. 6. 2018 0:04: > > This is what concerns me. I don't care that there are workarounds > (undocumented or hard to find). > I care that Windows is a most popular development platform. I care > that > newcomers to Pharo easily find what they need to get started. I care > about > Pharo's reputation. > The last thing Pharo needs is a black eye. > > > Do you have enough balls to call out Steph for his obviously wrong > decision to push Launcher down the users' throats and make him revert > to > working installers / zips? Cause AFAICT there's the bottleneck atm. > > > The problem is the lack of enough Windows users and especially > developers > who can fix Windows problems. > > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html > > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html > > >
