Hi Hannes,
It's great that you consider spending time on BabyIDE. Porting BabyIDE
to Pharo needs to be done sooner or later, but it may be harder to find
somebody who will actually use the results.(BabyIDE was first released
10 years ago. AFAIK I am still the only user of the ST version.)
A plan for creating an alpha version of PP could be
1. Establish a project with funding and people (including project
manager and lead programmer).
2. Use present BabyIDE to create a new and clean Squeak version with
DCI architecture.
3. Port new BabyIDE to Pharo.
4. ...
We will then have a platform that extends Pharo with the new
programming paradigm for programming system behavior (use cases). This
will be a valuable addition to Pharo as a tool for professional
programmers. We will also have a platform for building an alpha version
of PP.
/But before I do anything else, I have to finish my PP documentation on
my home page
http://folk.uio.no/trygver/
./
More about DCI at
http://fulloo.info
http://fulloo.info/Examples/SqueakExamples/index.html Includes code
for examples
http://fulloo.info/Downloads/BabyIDE.zip Includes Squeak BabyIDE
image and Win7-VM.
I'll update the ZIP if anybody is interested in
actually running BabyIDE
--Trygve
On 08.05.2018 20:06, H. Hirzel wrote:
On 5/6/18, Trygve Reenskaug<tryg...@ifi.uio.no> wrote:
I'm working on a programing paradigm and IDE for the personal programmer
who wants to control his or her IoT. The size of the target audience I
have in mind is >100 million. I gave up Squeak long ago as a platform
because they obsolete my code faster than I can write it. I have now
frozen Squeak 3.10.2 and hope its runtime will survive until I find a
better foundation. My hope is that Pharo has a stable kernel that I can
build on.
Hello Tryge
Good to see that you reconsider to use Smalltalk in 2018, this time Pharo.
Am I assuming correctly that you want to continue to work on your IDE
which the supports the DCI (Data-Context-Interaction) programming
style [1]? The IDE was called "BabyIDE" [2].
In 2015 you wrote to the Squeak mailing list that you are abandoning
Squeak (Squeak 3.8, 4.5 or 4.6 at that time and Smalltalk as a whole)
in favour of JavaScript, a mainstream language. That you now at least
reconsider to use Smalltalk (Pharo) is an interesting result as it
reinforces the idea that doing things the Smalltalk way is more
promising than going for JavaScript directly [6].
As for loading the BabyIDE into Squeak: It is noteworthy that after 10
years (done around Squeak version 3.8) of maintaining a fork the
Squeakland (Etoys) image has been merged back into Squeak 6.0a trunk.
[5]
I could actually load some of your tools last year into Squeak 6.0a
with very modest fixes last year. [2].
It seems that splitting your IDE enhancements into different parts
which can be treated independently will probably help.
And in addition helpful would be IMHO to write HOW you construct
these tools and WHY you do it. These will help people to maintain your
code even if the underlying system changes.
It seems worthwhile to try out how it goes with the most recent Squeak
version, Squeak 6.0a trunk [8].
Another option is to wait a few months and look for the bootstrap
version of Pharo 7.
All the code is in readable format on github and various types of
image files may be built build from it [7].
And the third option is to check out if Cuis (the third Smalltalk
which runs on the OpenSmalltalk [3] VM) suits your needs. [4]
Kind regards
Hannes Hirzel
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[1] Data-Context-Interactionhttp://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6048
[2] BabySREhttp://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/2550
[3]http://www.opensmalltalk.org/
[4] Cuis Smalltalk
https://github.com/Cuis-Smalltalk/Cuis-Smalltalk-Dev ; there is a Cuis
mailing list.
[5] Etoys in 2017http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6531
[6] Of course these days JavaScript cannot be avoided. But it is
preferable to generate it with a Smalltalk tool.
[7] The file format used in Pharo 7 is called Tonel (no exclamation marks!)
[8] Squeak 6.0a trunk downloadhttp://files.squeak.org/6.0alpha/
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/The essence of object orientation is that objects collaborateto achieve
a goal. /
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