On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 1:28 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am no authority on dark theme because I am using my blue theme full time > and I have addressed any colour issues I had. > > Retina detachment, wow that is serious ! I hope you doing better :( > Yeah, after that, not much can really stress me out that much. And 2 x 27 inch monitors help. Pharo is great because I can make it be the way I want it to code in it. > > Well I have myopia in both eyes, my left is 6 degrees which is pretty > high. We myopics suppose to not see very well in the dark but my visual > perception is great in dark environments even in almost complete darkness. > > Its weird because as I young boy I was non stop out in the sun and I live > in Greece, here the Sun is very bright, yet it always hurt my eyes. Not > much as knife pain, but more like feeling pressure on the eye. Of course I > am not the only Greek in love with his sun glasses during summer. > > My eye doctor said it was because of my eyes being light color compared to > the usual dark coloured eyes Greeks have. But I think the reason most > likely is more mysterious :D > > Ah ah, 1/2 italian with green eyes here. I feel you. I am running with shades. Phil > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 2:05 PM p...@highoctane.be <p...@highoctane.be> > wrote: > >> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 12:10 AM, Dimitris Chloupis < >> kilon.al...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Also most don't know this but light themes of Pharo were in part hard >>> coded. Esteban in order to create the dark theme which is based on the most >>> popular dark theme ( if my memory serves correctly) , Darcula , he had to >>> remove all this nasty code. He essentially made it possible for Pharo to >>> have themes without worrying about hard coded colors. So if you ever want >>> to make the light theme even lighter you have the dark theme to thank for >>> making it easier for you. >>> >>> Quite an irony , would not agree ? >>> >>> If the doctors say your eye sight is great , he knows what he is talking >>> about. >>> >>> Black foreground against dark grey background sound like a bug. Care to >>> share a screenshot ? >>> On Mon, 28 Aug 2017 at 00:51, PBKResearch <pe...@pbkresearch.co.uk> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I agree with Dimitris - it is all a matter of preference - not all eyes >>>> are the same. For myself, I find the default dark theme in Pharo very >>>> uncomfortable. On my system, some elements have a black foreground on a >>>> dark grey background, which is almost impossible to see. This is always >>>> true of the maximise/minimise/close buttons, but sometimes also of text >>>> fields in a playground. Whenever I download a new image, I immediately >>>> switch to the Watery theme, with light background and nice coloured buttons >>>> on the windows. >>>> >>>> Of course, my eyes may not be typical. I am now aged 84, and I have had >>>> cataract operations on both eyes. My sight is actually quite good - my >>>> optometrist confirms that I am legal to drive without spectacles - but my >>>> adverse reaction to dark mode is strong and immediate. >>>> >>> >> Eye issues as well. Retinal detachment in both, and cataract on the right >> one. Loads of floaters. >> >> Light mode kills them. >> >> Dark theme : can code for hours without any trouble. >> >> At the office I am at now 90% of coders are using dark themes. >> >> Indeed the windows buttons are annoying, I have my own little hack to >> make them better. >> When a control bugs you, bring a halo and try to reverse the form, >> usually makes things readable. >> >> Phil >> >> >>> >>>> Just my 2p worth >>>> >>>> Peter Kenny >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Pharo-users [mailto:pharo-users-boun...@lists.pharo.org] On >>>> Behalf Of stephan >>>> Sent: 27 August 2017 21:46 >>>> To: pharo-users@lists.pharo.org >>>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Dark Mode >>>> >>>> On 27-08-17 22:37, Dimitris Chloupis wrote: >>>> > White or dark is a matter of preference. But the matter of preference >>>> > is also a matter of biology . Not all eyes are same. >>>> >>>> The research is pretty clear: a large majority of developers does >>>> better with light themes. I have been sufficiently clear on the choice to >>>> make >>>> Pharo6 theme dark default >>>> >>>> Stephan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
