Hi,

Nice to see more diversity on license choice and projects in this community. We have the permissive MIT license by default in almost all Pharo and related project, but seeing GPL and AGPL in projects like Spec and now Territorial increase the sense of choice and engagement.

In my case as a freelancer, having such licenses as base for the code of my works has helped me against big institutions that have aggressive practices regarding "Intelectual Property" and want everything for them all the time. Even in this community we have seen some interesting work that can not be contributed back to the community until the community makes something open by default (something related Java support comes to mind). Having a license that enforce reciprocity by default (GPL, AGPL) instead of "do what you want" ones (MIT, BSD) helps to keep the commons protected against predatory enclosure, even if you're a small freelancer and the ones really interested in such enclosure can still contact the author and pay the extra price that comes with not reciprocity to the wider community.

Thanks Hernán,

Offray


On 07/09/16 06:48, p...@highoctane.be wrote:
In Tiki, there has been such discussions as well.

https://tiki.org/License

But yeah, MIT license is the best thing :-)

Phil




On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 12:25 AM, Hernán Morales Durand <hernan.mora...@gmail.com <mailto:hernan.mora...@gmail.com>> wrote:


    I thought for a while about the license.

    Fixing the ASP loophole means trying to escape from companies
    using a trick to avoid returning changes to the code back to the
    community[1]. I agree with such position. GNU AGPL is free,
    copyleft, approved by OSI, FSF, and used by successful projects :
    MongoDB, SugarCRM, OTRS, etc. If anyone want to discuss
    collaboration or re-licensing, for example to monetize library
    services, feel free to contact me privately.

    Hernán

    [1]
    http://www.fabcapo.com/2008/02/we-have-submitted-agpl-to-osi.html
    <http://www.fabcapo.com/2008/02/we-have-submitted-agpl-to-osi.html>


    2016-09-06 18:03 GMT-03:00 Tudor Girba <tu...@tudorgirba.com
    <mailto:tu...@tudorgirba.com>>:

        Hi Hernán,

        I believe Stef was asking about the choice of picking a viral
        license vs the permissive MIT one that we use in code that
        gets into Pharo (and several other larger related projects).

        Cheers,
        Doru


        > On Sep 6, 2016, at 10:28 PM, Hernán Morales Durand
        <hernan.mora...@gmail.com <mailto:hernan.mora...@gmail.com>>
        wrote:
        >
        > Hi Stef,
        >
        > I used the License Differentiator tool at
        http://oss-watch.ac.uk/apps/licdiff/
        <http://oss-watch.ac.uk/apps/licdiff/>
        >
        > I like it because it fixes the 'ASP (application service
        provider) loophole' or 'privacy loophole' problem (See Choice
        Six in the tool)
        >
        > Hernán
        >
        >
        > 2016-09-06 16:47 GMT-03:00 stepharo <steph...@free.fr
        <mailto:steph...@free.fr>>:
        > Hi hernan
        >
        > why do you picked AGPL? We try to protect our community
        against license hell.
        > Stef
        > Le 6/9/16 à 11:40, Hernán Morales Durand a écrit :
        >>
        >> Hi Stephan,
        >>
        >> 2016-09-06 2:52 GMT-03:00 Stephan Eggermont
        <step...@stack.nl <mailto:step...@stack.nl>>:
        >> On 06/09/16 06:24, Hernán Morales Durand wrote:
        >>
        >> I am happy to announce the release of Territorial, a new
        Smalltalk
        >> library for Geographical Information Retrieval in
        geopolitical objects.
        >>
        >> Nice. Please tell us about your license choice
        >>
        >>
        >> License of the library is AGPL v3 (it is in the Notes and
        disclaimers of the manual)
        >> License of the documentation is CC BY-SA 3.0
        >>
        >> Cheers,
        >>
        >> Hernán
        >>
        >> Stephan
        >>
        >>
        >>
        >>
        >
        >

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