On 14/5/14 17:15, PBK Research wrote:
Esteban
Well, I am carrying on, but I do wonder why Pharo has to be such a rapidly
moving target. There are virtues in stability, and perhaps there should be a
filtering process before any change is made, to ensure that the benefits
outweigh any disruption.
There is one. Now immobility is also death.
I must admit that, at times, Pharo looks like a
playground for a fairly small group of very clever people who are in love
with the process of development.
Pharo is not moving fast. The RectangleMorph has been removed months ago.
Now if people do not maintain packages or maintain only what they use:
this is not the
fault of Pharo.
Pharo is not a playground. We have companies deploying real software
using Pharo.
Now for some companies this is important to have
- up to date technologies like vector graphics
- clean (you know not always getting dirt in your way when you code)
- easy to use
version of Pharo and they value that we are moving.
We do not move for the sake of it and we would prefer to have a clean
and well designed system like dolphin was (which could never run on my
machine) but people preferred "better dead than open-source" and they
are dead sadly.
I got involved with Pharo again recently - having looked at it briefly
several years ago - because I had read papers, mainly by Lukas Renggli,
about Magritte and PetitParser, and I thought these were brilliant ideas
that I wanted to explore. But am sure that, if I could get the functions of
Magritte and PetitParser in a stable environment like Dolphin, I would drop
Pharo like a shot.
Peter don't you feel that you are insulting us? if it makes you feel
better good for you.
You can use a Smalltalk running only on windows, that is dead (and of
course it was really nice)
but the people were against open-source and we believe that we prefer to
have an open-source
system that everybody can have a look than a close source working on a
single OS developed by 1.5 developer.
Because there were only two smart guys behind objectarts.
Next time you insult Pharo and us I will just plonk your email (if you
do not know what plonk means
ask google).
While I am in a moaning mood - I'm not always like this! - could anyone tell
me whether there is a glossary of names for Pharo extensions which will tell
beginners like me what they are for and whether they are worth learning
about. I have come across Cairo, Athens, Zinc, Fuel, Spec, Grease and Shout
- just as names, with no idea what they do and no obvious way of finding
out.
I have the answers but frankly you did not give me the will to tell that
to you
especially when I spent my FREE time and energy to write software and
documentation for other people.
Now you should learn how to ask questions in an open-source community.
Now by insulting people:
Cairo (ask google because this is mainstream), Athens (is a API for
vector graphics with different back -end like cairo -hints hints), Zinc (HTTP
server), Fuel (serializer), Spec (UIbuilder), Grease (Compatibility package)
and Shout (Syntax Higlighter as you type).
Is there any place where I can look these things up? They all exist in
the Forum image that I downloaded today, but the system browser contains no
general explanation.
If you load the code using a configuration then placing the mouse on the
configuration package
will if the project got documented show you the description.
Now you can find information on
- the draft pharo catalog
https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoProjectCatalog/
- the draft of the new book
https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoForTheEnterprise/
- http://www.deepintopharo.org
Stef
Peter Kenny
PS I've just seen Stephan's reply while composing this. Thanks - it all gets
a bit clearer. You might take my last paragraph above as my response to your
last paragraph!
-----Original Message-----
From: Pharo-users [mailto:pharo-users-boun...@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf Of
Esteban A. Maringolo
Sent: 14 May 2014 13:30
To: Any question about pharo is welcome
Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Problem learning about Magritte
2014-05-14 9:25 GMT-03:00 PBK Research <pe...@pbkresearch.co.uk>:
Stephan
Still, I am making progress with my original aim of learning about
Magritte,
and there are many helpful people on this group, so you can just regard
this
as me blowing off steam after things had not gone completely easily.
Plus, you mention you're coming from Dolphin Smalltalk.
Which is easier than the average, in terms of straightforwardness.
Pharo has A LOT to offer, once you get used to aim at a moving target :)
Esteban A. Maringolo
