On 24 Mar 2010, at 08:27, Phil Thompson wrote:

> Steve Tompkins-MacQueen wrote:
>> 
>> On 23 Mar 2010, at 11:33, Phil Thompson wrote:
>> 
>>   
>>> in this context it refers to peer to peer P2P file distribution systems 
>>> whose primary use on the contemporary internet is distribution of 
>>> copyrighted material without the rights holders consent ie Pirate 2 Pirate
>>>     
>> 
>> IS IT? and how can this be quantified?  Some distros of linux use P2P type 
>> file sharing to speed up installation of programs over the internet.
>> 
>>   
> yes. For every open source enthusiast using P2P for software distribution 
> there are 99 pirates downloading movies and music in breach of copyright.

Thows are intrestting figures.  One of the problems that ISP's like Virgin are 
working on is getting theses figures.
 

> 
> if servers are available that can max out your bandwidth P2P adds nothing,

Most file sharing programs like bit-torront allow one to limit the bandwidth it 
uses.

> I prefer to download from identified servers so I know what I'm getting and 
> TBH there isn't anything I have needed that was legit and only on P2P 
> networks.
> 
> 
>> Should file sharing be band or the shearing of particular files?
>> 
>> If we stop file sharing on the internet wan't people how wan't to share 
>> files in a illegal way just move to privat networks
>>   
> 
> it is only the distribution without permission that should be tackled and 
> that's what the bill is seeking to do. The number that would use private 
> networks must be pretty small, they could have done this before the internet 
> took off so they aren't really the target of the legislation.
>> The problem is the MP's and lawers don't understand these techoniges and 
>> that it why the bill needs slowing down so that the MP's can be informed.
>> 
>>   
> nah, they'll just get "informed" by pirates, defenders of pirates, liars, 
> lobbyists, single issue fanatics, lefties that don't believe in intellectual 
> property etc etc etc.
> 
> Many ISPs restrict the throughput of P2P protocols dramatically in any case, 
> for example Talk Talk, so that's another way of limiting the volume of piracy.
> 
> 
> Phil
> 
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