Dan -- I see the differences now between Leeson and Magelson - looks
like L was standing to M's left.. the key there is the geometry of the
space under the leftmost bear's belly.. as well as the dark line hitting
her ass in a slightly different position.. So I agree with Bob these
are two
different frames.
ann
On 12/23/2018 5:31 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
The two Viet Nam images are clearly different exposures; the angle of the
boy's head is different as is his expression. The images were taken from
slightly different angles, as evidenced by the position of the boy's head
relative to the palm tree behind him.
The three polar bear images still look identical to me. There may have
been some editing of the irregularities on the ice or snow, but the
postures of the bears are identical, and the angles from which they were
shot are identical.
Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 5:22 PM Bob W-PDML <[email protected]> wrote:
The Mangelson and the Ward are clearly the same frame. The Leesons' shot
is a different frame, you can tell my lining up the foreground with bits
and pieces of the background. I would put it down to two cameras side by
side, or misattribution, rather than to plagiarism.
There is a famous pair of photos taken at the same moment in Vietnam by
Philip Jones-Griffiths and Tim Page that shows an example of something like
this, and I'm sure there must be many others from photographers travelling
in packs.
This is an unpleasant image:
Page:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/13476480@N07/29749724063
P J-G:
https://mediastore3.magnumphotos.com/CoreXDoc/MAG/Media/TR2/b/2/1/0/NYC36062.jpg
In fact, another good example is the stills of the 'tank man' of Tiananmen
Square, for which Stuart Franklin won a World Press award, but other
photographers on the same hotel balcony got much the same shot, with only
minor differences.
On 23 Dec 2018, at 20:34, ann sanfedele <[email protected]<mailto:
[email protected]>> wrote:
The Polar Bear Saga... My gallery first - scroll right after viewing the
typtyich .. the last photo is the flipped version Bob found.
THis is the first image in my gallery - to show you the screen shots I got
side by side
https://annsan.smugmug.com/Misceandvids/THE-THREE-BEARS-a-puzzlement/i-b89K7LG/XL
here is the link to the photo on Mangelsen's web page, followed by the
other two found by John and Bob W
Ken got me to ....
https://www.mangelsen.com/winter-solace-2446.html
Bob's find :
http://www.artsandartists.org/exhibitions/past-endangeredtreasures/
John found
https://fineartamerica.com/featured/polar-bear-family-thomas-and-pat-leeson.html
(where I took the screen shot from - I did all the wrok on that before
seeing the link to the web page :-))
and , from the leeson's web page tinyurled for us.
https://tinyurl.com/anns-bears
I really feel the other two photographers were given permission to market
these , or in the csae of Ward maybe a simple misattribution on the web, or
they are simply ripping off Mangelsens work. Is it possible they all
three were at that spot at the same time??? Something just aint right.
ann
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