> On 11 Dec 2013, at 05:08, Boris Liberman <[email protected]> wrote: > > I see... > > So, to that specific lady involved with FB you would suggest starting a > movement or trying to engage as many people as possible to do exactly what? > Sue FB in court? Boycott FB? Flood FB with content that is 100% borderline > between valid and invalid as far as FB rules go? Try to find who are the > moderators and deal with them personally? Contact mass media and try to make > her story very widely public?
I wasn't responding to her specific case, but to your homely little saying, which implies acceptance of victimhood. In her case I wouldn't put the success of my business in the hands of an organisation like Facebook. > See, Bob, I'm not being sarcastic here - I'm very much interested in your > opinion. > > I should point out that your childhood example, although commendable has few > serious, how to put it, points that make it less relevant, here. As a child > you had not much to loose. At worst, although very unpleasant, you would have > ended up being bullied, but that's what you were up against in the first > place. Second - I don't think that it took much time or effort to find other > boys with whom you joined and convince them to participate in your plan. > > In grown up life, you see, the balance is much more delicate. For example, > consider this, Bob, as my age grows, which it does day by day, I'm becoming > more and more subject to professional "bullying". I observe that now on > example of my co-workers who are full 10 years older than me. At age of 50+ > it is not going to be easy to find a new job should one just decide to knock > their fist on the table and leave. Thus, your employer may decide not to > raise your salary, not to promote you upwards, not to send you to workshops, > etc. The point of my examples is that you do not need to fight these things on your own. If you are subject to this kind of treatment then you either have the law of your country to protect you, or you enrol the help of other people, like the people - adults - who start things like Reclaim the Streets. In this country we have laws against workplace bullying and discrimination on the grounds of age. These laws weren't enacted by the bullies, they were enacted by people who came together to resist the bullies. > > Of course there're ways to deal with that, but given that as a grown up you > often have a mortgage to pay, kids to educate, life to live, etc, the > cost/benefit consideration which I mentioned early becomes more complex than > that of a child who stands up against his bullies. See above. Nothing gets changed unless you yourself do something about it, and as an adult the way to do that is to cooperate with other people to bring about change. Your philosophy leads to serfdom. You seem to accept the position of the victim, then try to justify it. > > For example, if I understand correctly, that lady has some business involved > with her FB exposure, so that to go up against FB could either make her very > famous (as in documentary film famous) or make her life significantly more > miserable (than having her child's photo removed by FB moderators or robot > programs) as far as her business go. Like we say in Russian - "don't saw the > tree-branch on which you're sitting". She chose to go with Facebook, and to bet her business on it. If she doesn't like it she can either try and change it, or leave, or shut up. It's her responsibility > > Ultimately, you're right - the bullies must be stood up against, however I > think you would agree with me that it is not just black or just white in real > grown up life. No, I don't agree with you. It's very a propos right now that they're burying Mandela, a real grown-up who took a different view from yours. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
