On Dec 22, 2011, at 7:25 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > > On Dec 21, 2011, at 11:15 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote: > >> >> Wed Dec 21 20:57:48 EST 2011 >> Paul Stenquist wrote: >> >> On Dec 21, 2011, at 5:39 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >> >>>> It's a "tragedy of the commons" thing. For each business it makes >>>> economic sense to move aspects of production off shore to where >>>> labor is cheaper. After a while, nobody is building anything in the >>>> US anymore. Except for Toyota and Honda who now have some car plants >>>> here. >> >>> Toyota and Honda plants are in right=to-work states. >> >> Paul, sorry, but I don't think you are correct in this statement. >> >> At least according to this Wikipedia page, Honda's plants in the US >> are in Alabama, Ohio and Indiana: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Honda_assembly_plants >> According to this list: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-work_law >> out of these three, only Alabama is a right-to-work state. > > And how many plants in right to work states, do the companies that operate > under UAW contracts have? None. >> >> According to this Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota , >> Toyota's six major assembly plants in the US are in >> Alabama (*), Kentucky, Indiana, Texas(*), West Virginia, and >> Missisippi(*). Only 3 of these states (marked with "*") are >> right-to-work states. > > I didn't say all of their plants were in right to work states. Three plants > in right to work states gives them a huge advantage. What's more, some of the > plants that aren't in right to work states aren't unionized. >> >> Mitshubishi has its only plant in Normal, IL, which is not a RTW state >> either. >> >> Of all the major Japanese car manufacturers, only Nissan has its plants >> exclusively in RTW states (Tennessee and Mississippi). >> >> So, while you are right about the disadvantages of the Big Three due to >> the fact that they need to deal with UAW, I suspect that your statement >> is based on the legends spread by the US car manufacturers as an excuse >> for their bad management and historic inheritance (which is, in some >> sense, is also a result of bad management). >> > And huge pension obligations. Facts, not excuses. > >> Igor >>
As an addendum, note that the Mitsubishi plant is UAW organized, because it was originally a joint venture of Chrysler and Mitsubishi. Mitsubishi has not been able to produce competitive products there on their own and are now a tiny presence in the U.S. market. Paul >> >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> [email protected] >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > [email protected] > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
