On Dec 21, 2011, at 11:15 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote: > > Wed Dec 21 20:57:48 EST 2011 > Paul Stenquist wrote: > > On Dec 21, 2011, at 5:39 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > >>> It's a "tragedy of the commons" thing. For each business it makes >>> economic sense to move aspects of production off shore to where >>> labor is cheaper. After a while, nobody is building anything in the >>> US anymore. Except for Toyota and Honda who now have some car plants >>> here. > >> Toyota and Honda plants are in right=to-work states. > > Paul, sorry, but I don't think you are correct in this statement. > > At least according to this Wikipedia page, Honda's plants in the US > are in Alabama, Ohio and Indiana: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Honda_assembly_plants > According to this list: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-work_law > out of these three, only Alabama is a right-to-work state.
And how many plants in right to work states, do the companies that operate under UAW contracts have? None. > > According to this Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota , > Toyota's six major assembly plants in the US are in > Alabama (*), Kentucky, Indiana, Texas(*), West Virginia, and > Missisippi(*). Only 3 of these states (marked with "*") are > right-to-work states. I didn't say all of their plants were in right to work states. Three plants in right to work states gives them a huge advantage. What's more, some of the plants that aren't in right to work states aren't unionized. > > Mitshubishi has its only plant in Normal, IL, which is not a RTW state > either. > > Of all the major Japanese car manufacturers, only Nissan has its plants > exclusively in RTW states (Tennessee and Mississippi). > > So, while you are right about the disadvantages of the Big Three due to > the fact that they need to deal with UAW, I suspect that your statement > is based on the legends spread by the US car manufacturers as an excuse > for their bad management and historic inheritance (which is, in some > sense, is also a result of bad management). > And huge pension obligations. Facts, not excuses. > Igor > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > [email protected] > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
