I ask the lists's indulgence for my not snipping some of Cotty's small
essay below -- I want to
keep it in for reference -
I had made a distinction (not quoted by Cotty ) between the situation
described and someone
snapping "outright criminal behaviour (someone catching someone mugging
someone,etc."
I sure don't approve of cops confiscating film willy-nilly... but I
would offer images to
investigating bodies if by chance I happened to get a photo of someone
committing a crime.
after I transferred them to my computer... so there were two places the
actual image resided.
Using cell phones as witness to such scenes as Cotty describes seems a
bit ghoulish to me
but the cops announcement is a bit creepy, too.
WHy did I write this? Cotty 'splained it sufficiently - oh well, it's
early and I'm in
blabbing mode
ann
Cotty wrote:
On 4/10/08, ann sanfedele, discombobulated, unleashed:
I think there has been lots more mischief created by the ease with which
one can use a cell phone to clandestinely photo strangers on the street and
blast them to the world on the web.
Ann raises a very topical point here - one that still has plenty of
mileage to run - and will become more prevalent in the near future.
There are plenty of reports from around the world of situations where
passers-by to an incident who have pulled out their camera-phones and
snapped some pics or recorded video, have subsequently had them
confiscated by police who claim that there may be evidence relevant to
[the] investigation of said incident.
This raises important civil liberty issues that have yet to make it to
court (in the UK) in a defining situation.
Viz: an air ambulance lands in a town centre where an injured man is
stretchered onto it, the paramedics still working on him with CPR etc. A
couple of dozen bystanders are caught nearby between the police cordon
and a building, effectively in 'no-man's land' for the duration of the
helicopter stay, only about 20 minutes or so. During the patient
evacuation, police announce that anyone caught using phones to picture
the scene will have them confiscated - and indeed several are seized.
Yet two stills photographers and a video news cameraman nearby continue
to record the scene. One police officer attempts to stop one stills
photographer from photographing, and a conversation ensues which results
in the officer from backing down and concentrating on the crowd.
This scenario actually happened recently in the UK, and I was the video
news cameraman in this case.
My point is that the time will come when the police will not back down
and censure of legitimate newsgathering operations will result. I
suspect it will proceed to court for a legal definition to be made that
will then inform future police powers (in the UK in this case).
At what stage do 'legitimate newsgathering operations' merge with
'bystanders snapping on phones' - are the two actually the same? Is
there a distinction? Do police actually have authority to seize
recording devices by claiming they may contain evidence central to an
ongoing investigation? If so - does that extend to professional
newsgathering organisations? The answer is - it can.
In the UK, professional newsgathering organisations (defined by UK
standards as a bone fide journalist, licensed by the Association of
Chief Police Officers and provided with a photo-ID card for proof)
cannot be made to hand over recording devices or their recordings
without a court order overseen by a judge. The police could not legally
have demanded my camera tape or camera, even though they possibly may
have arrested me for a public order offense if I had refused any such
demands. My employer's legal department have defined protocols in this
situation - no material is ever to be handed to police in such cases -
even if arrest will be the result.
For anyone else, you're at the mercy of the police! Obviously your
mileage may vary by country.
I have as yet to encounter a situation whereby I m off duty but witness
an incident and record it on my own camera-phone.........
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