Ah yeah, sound bars. I don't really believe in thoughs. You nead all 5
speakers or 7 speakers there's no way out of it if you want the true thing.
Even the companion 5 ones I'm using are just 2 speakers and supposedly they
are 5.1. Fake 5.1 is what they are, exaggerated stereo is what it is. Nop,
sorry, you need all the speakers if you want the true experience. So you
have to choose, a pretty living room whith no wires every ware, or the true
theater experience. Maybe it's just me, but that's why I think they came out
with these kinds of things to start with. But anyways. That's for another
thread. That's beyond the point of this one.

-----Original Message-----
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
On Behalf Of Gary Wood
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 4:04 AM
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Subject: Re: AV Receivers with accessible web interface

This has been a good thread, I think; but I heard that Yamaha has a compact
surround sound that's 5.1, but it all comes out of one speaker.  That's hard
to believe, unless all those chanels get wrapped inside the equipment?  It
has all the settings it has on mine, and I believe it costs $1400.  I
probably paid $11 or $1200 for mine,  and the total wattage is 100.  Now
Bose has something called Accustomass receiver.  That's supposed to have
surround sound too.  I heard it once, and I thought it sounded pretty good 
for it's size.  It costs $1400.   It has the array in the middle front with 
speakers in it, I assume, and they said on t their website that the sides
are Gemstone speakers.  I'm not sure what they are.  Beelieve it or not.
----- Original Message -----
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> Yeah, he's right from what I've heard too. Don't forget though I'm 
> talking channals. So, how would one pan al of these and assign them to 
> all these speakers? Until that's figured out, I don't get the point of 
> having so many speakers. I mean, there already are disagreements about 
> 7.1 being done right or at all, there are no 9.2 movies yet. But yeah 
> any ways, I'm just wandering is all.
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> On Behalf Of Gary Wood
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> Well I think I heard once that in a recording studio, there's at least 
> 16 tracks that are recorded.  I talked to a fellow I know who makes 
> music from time to time, and he said that there's no limits to how 
> many tracks that can be recorded in a piece.  I think it makes sense 
> to me.
> ----- Original Message -----
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>
>> Well, to be honest, maybe I'm wrong, but I think that to really 
>> replicate your hearing you would have to do 13.1. In other words, 
>> have high frunts like you do, high sides, and high rears. I mean, you 
>> hear things from above too right? But they would have to figure out 
>> how to pan things vertically straight up or down. Which would also 
>> mean more audio tracks as well. I don't know does this sound right or
what?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> On Behalf Of Les Gordon
>> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 12:35 AM
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>> Subject: Re: AV Receivers with accessible web interface
>>
>> right now i'm running a 9.2 setup. theres front high channels and 
>> rear center channels then your effect channels. the sound quality is 
>> dependent upon the dvd. if you want to test a system. the roy orbison 
>> dvd called black white night is beyond amazing. you hear sounds from 
>> every speaker/channel, the regular dvd as well as the blu ray is just 
>> beyond amazing. if you love that type of music thats a must to have.
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>> ----- Original Message -----
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>> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 6:26 PM
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>>
>>> Interesting. I'll have to listen to it my self I guess. We'll see.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
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>>> On Behalf Of Blackwell, Clifford
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 3:30 PM
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>>> Subject: RE: AV Receivers with accessible web interface
>>>
>>> Whether there are discrete separate channels or merely reassigned 
>>> portions, it still gives a slightly more immersive sound.
>>>
>>> They are now offering 7.2 channels with some receivers.  I think the 
>>> second speaker in back sits up higher to again give more depth and 
>>> location signature.  I haven't heard such a set up to tell though.
>>>
>>> Even with my old 5.1 disks, the sound seems fuller even if it's not 
>>> really.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
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>>> On Behalf Of Hamit Campos
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 10:07 AM
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>>> Subject: RE: AV Receivers with accessible web interface
>>>
>>> Ah okay then. Cool. I would be using BDs though. I guess the point 
>>> of what those guys say is as follows. Let's take Jurrasic Park for 
>>> an example. We all know the movie was recorded in 5.1, there fore 
>>> there are only 5 different files assigned to the 5 different 
>>> speakers. They didn't really add anything new assignments for the 2 
>>> extra, so I guess what they are saying even with your example is you 
>>> are hearing the same thing you've always heard out of the 2 side 
>>> speakers I guess it would be, but now from the back too?
>>
>>> I
>>> don't know, like I have said, I haven't really experienced this my self.
>>> My
>>> friend who has a 7.1 system lives too far to just say, let's go over 
>>> to Tims and see what's true and what's not. But what I'm saying is, 
>>> I don't know, maybe I should  consider a 7.1 system if it is true 
>>> and then I do miss out on stuff. I don't know. If any of you have 
>>> heard a
>>> 7.1 movie, please let me know either here or off list if it really 
>>> true, or if it's just marketing hipe like those guys say.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
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>>> On Behalf Of Les Gordon
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 10:04 AM
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>>> Subject: Re: AV Receivers with accessible web interface
>>>
>>> hi, right now i am running a onkyo 9.2 system and the extra speakers 
>>> are clearly worth it. if a dvd isnt 7.1 or 9.2 recorded, the 
>>> receivers can convert to whatever format your running. the sound is
> absolutely amazing.
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>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
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>>> To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 9:44 AM
>>> Subject: RE: AV Receivers with accessible web interface
>>>
>>>
>>>> Actually, I've been paying attention to this thread too, because 
>>>> even though I really like Bose, I too have been looking at what 
>>>> Onkyo and Yamaha have and what others may have because Bose doesn't 
>>>> do 7.1 surround sound. As you may or may not know, there are a lot 
>>>> of Blu-Rays that are 7.1 channaled.
>>>> Now
>>>> some people have said that it's foney, in other words there's no 
>>>> true
>>>> 7.1 surround sound, but I haven't heard it myself to be truly sure 
>>>> if it is fake or not. I would also think that if it were fake, 
>>>> people wouldn't hav it.
>>>> Wouldn't people say something about it? Because then it would 
>>>> really mean like those people that insist it's fake say, that 
>>>> you're buying
>>>> 2 more speakers for nothing.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org 
>>>> [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
>>>> On Behalf Of Norma A. Boge
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 8:58 AM
>>>> To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
>>>> Subject: AV Receivers with accessible web interface
>>>>
>>>> Hi Dane,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the info on the Denon AVR.  I had looked at Yamaha and 
>>>> Onkyo but will definitely see what the Denon offerings are.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Norma
>>>>
>>>>
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