I am far from any sort of expert on this, but there are a couple of things to 
check out.  Some internal sound cards under Windows 7 can be logically 
separated.  Once by accident when on AIM, I ended up with the AIM sounds coming 
through speakers while Window-Eyes Eloquence was coming through 
my headphones.  There might be some areas there to explore.

Also, remember that Window-Eyes Eloquence lets you choose the sound card.  You 
might have better luck routing Window-Eyes to your external card and 
turning off Windows sounds.  Your stream could then go to your internal card.  
Aren't you luck, you are back to more or less having an external synthesizer.  
<smile>

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 09:24:15 -0600, Dave Bahr wrote:

>Yes, it just occured to me last night after I got that recording going 
>that I could patch it through another soundcard, maybe. I tried patching 
>my screen reader through my wireless headset, but it still got recorded 
>by total recorder somehow. Now the defalt device was set to my internal 
>soundcard, so I'm not sure if window-eyes was just being routed to my 
>headset via the soundcard or not.

>The main issue I'm concered about is that the stream is from within 
>firefox. It's one of those annoying java-based media players that pop up 
>when you click on the, listen, link, or similar. So I'm not sure if I 
>can have that recording in firefox go through my external soundcard, yes 
>I have an external and internal soundcards. The external is portable 
>enough, just a usb deal from creative, that I can throw it in my 
>backpack if necessary to carry with my laptop, I didn't have it with me 
>yesterday. Anyway, I digress. the question is can I patch that firefox 
>stream through my external and then get the screen reader still on the 
>internal somehow? let me diagram it out.

>screen reader is on original source, which equals internal soundcard,
>audio needs to go to external soundcard, just the stream audio
>screen reader needs to stay on internal soundcard then, preferably with 
>other windows sounds.

>the way I did it with recording and during the intro comment, exiting 
>out of the screen reader did work, crude but effective. In fact it 
>worked so well that goldwave kept recording for 8 hours instead of 2. 
>oops, well I got rid of the excess.

>anyway, sorry for the complexity of this, erm, I hope it's not that 
>complex and its just my rendering of it that is complex and possibly 
>overblown.
>Dave c. bahr


>On 9/19/2011 8:34 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>>  Good point as Windows sounds are regarded as a software stream as far
>>  as Total Recorder is concerned thus the software has an option to
>>  "Mute" those sounds and this brings up yet another problem, if the
>>  computer is trying to warn you of something then you don't know about
>>  that warning if you rely on sound.
>>
>>  As mentioned - if you don't use a Mac <smile> - then the best
>>  solution with your Windows PC is to have more than 1 sound device, I
>>  know of ways to send speech out one sound card but I don't think you
>>  can specify where the Windows sound is output can you? I guess you
>>  could use one sound card for "Windows Default" and work from there.
>>
>>
>>  On 20/09/2011, at 12:23 AM, Steve Jacobson wrote:
>>
>> > Also keep in mind that screen readers are only part of the problem.
>> > One needs to consider Windows sounds as well. I've heard
>> > recordings that have the web page loading sounds mixed in as well
>> > as Windows warning sounds. There is a Windows sound scheme that
>> > turns off all Windows sounds.
>> >
>> > Best regards,
>> >
>> > Steve Jacobson
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 00:04:03 -0400, Dave Scrimenti wrote:
>> >
>> >> In XP, this is very easy to do. But starting with Vista, and
>> >> continuing with 7, Microsoft screwed up the way Windows processes
>> >> sound so Total Recorder can no longer separate out the screen
>> >> reader from the stream you want to record. The only way is to use
>> >> background recording, which only works with some streams, or use
>> >> one sound card for your screen reader, and a 2nd sound card for
>> >> recording. . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Bahr"
>> >> <dcba...@gmail.com> To: "PC Audio Discussion List"
>> >> <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 11:15
>> >> PM Subject: recording sound without the screen reader coming
>> >> through?
>> >
>> >
>> >>> Hi, I know this has been asked before but is there any way to
>> >>> record a sound without hearing the screen reader? I have this
>> >>> internet radio stream that I want to record but when I select
>> >>> my soundcard it always just gets the reader and not the sound
>> >>> source I want, this is in total recorder. I can't find a way to
>> >>> do it, running windows 7 64 bit with demo of total recorder.
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Dave c. bahr
>> >>>
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