A 50 watt lo-power station can be put on the air for about 10 grand. This would of course include the cost of the transmitter, antenna, computer, and associated hardware and software.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Mac Norins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 7:29 PM Subject: Re: Accessible FM transmitters > Yeah, when I looked into it, I was told that there is the need to hire > lawyers, familiar with the ins and outs, which gets beyond what that web > site that Bob is talking about, contains, I think! One has to come up > with > a non profit entity, or not, depending on what one wants to do with it and > how much time and capital one has to put into it; not for me, either! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave McLean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 4:19 PM > Subject: Re: Accessible FM transmitters > > > Not me! Even if I had the money I wouldn't want the aggrevation. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mac Norins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 7:04 PM > Subject: Re: Accessible FM transmitters > > >> Well, if you have that kind of dough, then, by all means, join the >> lottery! >> There is a lottery, for this; hope you are aware of that! >> >> -Mac- >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dave McLean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 2:35 PM >> Subject: Re: Accessible FM transmitters >> >> >> Oh yeah! But it's in the thousands instead of hundreds of thousands or >> millions like a commercial license. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mac Norins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 5:23 PM >> Subject: Re: Accessible FM transmitters >> >> >>> Low power licenses, which is what you mention here, are expensive, in >>> the >>> U.S. as well! I looked into it and it is a night mare! >>> >>> -Mac- >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Dave McLean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 1:59 PM >>> Subject: Re: Accessible FM transmitters >>> >>> >>> Sounds like you'd probably want to apply for an LPFM license as a >>> religious >>> organization. LPFM allows you to broadcast with either 10 or 100 wats >>> legally with an LPFM license. They're not easy to get from what I >>> understand, but they're easier to get than a commercial license which is >>> impossible unless you have MUCH MONEY! >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "DJ DOCTOR P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 4:48 PM >>> Subject: Re: Accessible FM transmitters >>> >>> >>>> High Dave, >>>> I will take this to heart. >>>> After all, the bible does say, "obey the laws of the land." >>>> So before I get my hands on the equipment, I will try and get the >>>> license >>>> to >>>> use it. >>>> Oh, by the way, thinks for the info! >>>> This will make my research a hole lot more easier. >>>> John Price. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Dave McLean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 4:30 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Accessible FM transmitters >>>> >>>> >>>>> Just want to clear up what might be a slight misconception at least >>>>> with >>>>> regard to hobby broadcasting in the U.S. >>>>> Hobby broadcasting is governed under FCC part 15 of the FCC rules and >>>>> regs. >>>>> These rules are summarized below. Thanks to the Ramsey Electronics >>>>> Bulletin >>>>> Board from which I copied this info. >>>>> >>>>> Hello All, >>>>> >>>>> After you read my post, please do not respond with comments about "go >>>>> for >>>>> it", "relax and have fun", "you won't hurt anybody and won't get >>>>> caught", >>>>> or >>>>> many of the other criticisms which have resulted when someone, such as >>>>> I, >>>>> explain the reality of the FCC rules regarding part 15 FM. My intent >>>>> is >>>>> not >>>>> to >>>>> tell anyone what to do or what not to do; it is to provide information >>>>> so >>>>> those who are interested can have a knowledge base from which they can >>>>> decide >>>>> on their own how to proceed. If I state technical or other >>>>> inaccuracies, >>>>> I >>>>> will welcome and acknowledge corrections. >>>>> >>>>> The FCC rules for unlicensed operation in the FM band limit, among >>>>> other >>>>> things, the field strength to 250 microvolts per meter measured at 3 >>>>> meters. >>>>> This >>>>> is not a limit on power, transmission lines, grounds, nor antennas. >>>>> This >>>>> limit actually includes the effects of all of these variables and >>>>> focuses >>>>> only >>>>> on the outcome. To put this field strength in perspective, this field >>>>> strength can be produced by about 11 nanowatts into a dipole antenna. >>>>> One >>>>> nanowatt >>>>> is one one millionth of a milliwatt, so the information typically >>>>> mentioned >>>>> about 25 milliwatt transmitters is not only not presenting any >>>>> meaningful >>>>> information >>>>> about compliance with the FCC rules, it is misleading people into >>>>> believing >>>>> that this power is the norm for legal hobby FM. A 25 milliwatt output >>>>> delivered >>>>> to a typical antenna will exceed the field strength limit by about >>>>> 1400 >>>>> times. Many have been cited and fined where the citations mention >>>>> field >>>>> strengths >>>>> in the range of that which can easily be produced by 25 milliwatt >>>>> transmitter output power. >>>>> >>>>> If you don't think this is something to consider, check these links >>>>> (look >>>>> for NOUO and NAL): >>>>> >>>>> http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/ >>>>> >>>>> http://www.fcc.gov/eb/Orders/Welcome.html >>>>> >>>>> You will see that there are many citations and fines for unlicensed >>>>> operation on the FM band. You might think that the kit your built is >>>>> OK >>>>> but >>>>> consider >>>>> the information on the following links, especially with regard to the >>>>> calculated "milliwatt" transmitter powers which resulted in FCC >>>>> actions: >>>>> >>>>> http://part15.us/node/1375#comment-4249 >>>>> >>>>> http://www.part15.us/node/716#comment-1578 >>>>> >>>>> You might assume that because you bought a FM transmitter kit from a >>>>> good >>>>> source (such as Ramsey) that it is going to be legal to put it on the >>>>> air. >>>>> This >>>>> is not true unless you can, by some means, assure that you comply with >>>>> the >>>>> rules. All of the FM transmitter kits of which I am aware are NOT FCC >>>>> certified >>>>> nor type accepted. It is legal to offer these for sale as kits, but >>>>> the >>>>> responsibility for legal use falls on the user. There is no assurance >>>>> to >>>>> be >>>>> gained >>>>> that you will not have a problem just because you bought and assembled >>>>> a >>>>> kit >>>>> from a reputable manufacturer. It is up to you! >>>>> >>>>> I have a Ramsey FM transmitter and I have limited the range of this >>>>> unit >>>>> to >>>>> less than 200 feet. Why? Because the FCC itself has published an >>>>> information >>>>> sheet which states that this is the approximate range to expect from a >>>>> legal >>>>> station. I have no other means to judge my compliance with the >>>>> regulations, >>>>> but this is probably close enough. >>>>> >>>>> You can achieve, with the kits available and simple antennas, much >>>>> greater >>>>> range but consider that you cannot do so legally in the US. A cavelier >>>>> attitude >>>>> on the part of those who operate FM transmitters built from kits and >>>>> who >>>>> intentionally or unintentionally violate the rules may result in, by a >>>>> change >>>>> in the rules, the complete elimination of FM transmitter kits from the >>>>> market >>>>> >>>>> It is your choice regarding what you do. It is my hope, after you have >>>>> read >>>>> this, that you will do so knowing what is involved. >>>>> >>>>> Neil >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Bob Seed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 4:02 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: Accessible FM transmitters >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Oops, I wouldn't recommend going that route! There are very strict >>>>>> rules >>>>>> governing FM broadcasting in the United States and Canada. Anything >>>>>> over >>>>>> 1 >>>>>> watt requires a broadcast licence, and you have to ensure that the >>>>>> frequency >>>>>> that you are transmitting on is not being occupied by another >>>>>> broadcaster. >>>>>> The FM transmitter that is being recommended on this site is more >>>>>> than >>>>>> adequate to cover the average home. The seller of the unit is not >>>>>> responsible for any modification done to the unit in order to >>>>>> broadcast >>>>>> beyond the recommended coverage area. . >>>>>> \ >>>>>> From: "DJ DOCTOR P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 12:42 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: Accessible FM transmitters >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello Russell,this is John. >>>>>>> I have been doing some research on transmitters and amplifiers. >>>>>>> You can take one of these transmitters that was designed for home >>>>>>> use, >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> hook it up to a 1000 watt amplifier. >>>>>>> This will allow you to broadcast all over town, that is, if you >>>>>>> wanted >>>>>>> to. >>>>>>> Based on this, I will try to set up my own gospel radio station, and >>>>>>> run >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> out of my house. >>>>>>> But however, for starters, the $340 fm radio transmitter with a 1000 >>>>>>> watt >>>>>>> amplifier witch will cost around $500, will do the trick for me. >>>>>>> The Bose and or any radio will pick up a signal this strong. >>>>>>> The thing that you may have to do, is get an FCC license to >>>>>>> broadcast. >>>>>>> This is something that I'm still trying to figure out how to go >>>>>>> about >>>>>>> obtaining. >>>>>>> Just as soon as I find out how, I will post it here in pc audio. >>>>>>> John Price. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "russell Bourgoin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 4:31 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Accessible FM transmitters >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Jonathan, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm very interested in purchasing a unit as you describe in >>>>>>>> your mail. When you say its priced on the high side, how high is >>>>>>>> high? And, did they charge more for adding the features that you >>>>>>>> requested? Is there a contact that you have to whom I could speak >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> obtain a unit tricked out as is yours? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I do some dejaying at fish and gun club functions. Often I >>>>>>>> bring a few large bose accoustic waves and place them outside >>>>>>>> facing >>>>>>>> the say, family day activities. The cooking crew is off at the >>>>>>>> barbecue pit and are out of range of the bose radios that I bring, >>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>> they park their trucks around the pit and tune radios >>>>>>>> in. Unfortunately, they are out of reach of the c crane >>>>>>>> transmitter, >>>>>>>> altered as it is. Hence my interest in the unit you describe. Any >>>>>>>> info is surely appreciated. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Rusty >>>>>>>> > At 10:19 AM 9/11/2007, Bob Seed spake thusly:- >>>>>>>>> couple of months ago, there was a great thread on this list about >>>>>>>>> FM >>>>>>>>>transmitters. A user recommended the transmitter found at >>>>>>>>>http://www.wavemach.com. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I purchased one of these and am thrilled. The range is huge, the >>>>>>>>>construction solid, no nasty power hum, very good stereo >>>>>>>>>separation, >>>>>>>>>in >>>>>>>>>short, no complaints whatsoever. I got him to add a level control >>>>>>>>>that >>>>>>>>>allows me to set the line in for the two RCA sockets, and he also >>>>>>>>>added >>>>>>>>>small buttons for setting the frequency. It has a standard antenna >>>>>>>>>socket >>>>>>>>>at >>>>>>>>>the back and comes with a very solid little antenna, not just a >>>>>>>>>wire. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>So if you're looking for an FM transmitter, this one is definitely >>>>>>>>>worth >>>>>>>>>a >>>>>>>>>look, but it is on the high end of the price range. You definitely >>>>>>>>>get >>>>>>>>>what >>>>>>>>>you pay for though. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Jonathan >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>From: "Jason Boston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>>>>>>>>Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 1:26 AM >>>>>>>>>Subject: Accessible FM transmitters >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > Hi all, >>>>>>>>> > I'm looking for a blind friendly FM transmitter that will work >>>>>>>>> > well >>>>>>>>> > with >>>>>>>>> > PC, stereo, mp3 player, etc. It also needs to be able to >>>>>>>>> > broadcast >>>>>>>>> > 150+ >>>>>>>>> > feet in a household environment. This is for use in the USA, so >>>>>>>>> > the >>>>>>>>> > broadcasting frequencies need to end in odd numbers. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > I also would like the transmitter to have multiple power supply >>>>>>>>> > options >>>>>>>>> > like car adapter, AC adapter, batteries, even USB. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > I've seen one called MobileBlackBox v5000 fm transmitter, but it >>>>>>>>> > seems >>>>>>>>> > to be out of stock and I don't know how easy it is to use. Also, >>>>>>>>> > I >>>>>>>>> > don't >>>>>>>>> > know if it lives up to the range it claims. 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