Yeah, when I looked into it, I was told that there is the need to hire lawyers, familiar with the ins and outs, which gets beyond what that web site that Bob is talking about, contains, I think! One has to come up with a non profit entity, or not, depending on what one wants to do with it and how much time and capital one has to put into it; not for me, either! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave McLean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 4:19 PM Subject: Re: Accessible FM transmitters
Not me! Even if I had the money I wouldn't want the aggrevation. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mac Norins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 7:04 PM Subject: Re: Accessible FM transmitters > Well, if you have that kind of dough, then, by all means, join the > lottery! > There is a lottery, for this; hope you are aware of that! > > -Mac- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave McLean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 2:35 PM > Subject: Re: Accessible FM transmitters > > > Oh yeah! But it's in the thousands instead of hundreds of thousands or > millions like a commercial license. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mac Norins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 5:23 PM > Subject: Re: Accessible FM transmitters > > >> Low power licenses, which is what you mention here, are expensive, in the >> U.S. as well! I looked into it and it is a night mare! >> >> -Mac- >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dave McLean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 1:59 PM >> Subject: Re: Accessible FM transmitters >> >> >> Sounds like you'd probably want to apply for an LPFM license as a >> religious >> organization. LPFM allows you to broadcast with either 10 or 100 wats >> legally with an LPFM license. They're not easy to get from what I >> understand, but they're easier to get than a commercial license which is >> impossible unless you have MUCH MONEY! >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "DJ DOCTOR P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 4:48 PM >> Subject: Re: Accessible FM transmitters >> >> >>> High Dave, >>> I will take this to heart. >>> After all, the bible does say, "obey the laws of the land." >>> So before I get my hands on the equipment, I will try and get the >>> license >>> to >>> use it. >>> Oh, by the way, thinks for the info! >>> This will make my research a hole lot more easier. >>> John Price. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Dave McLean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 4:30 PM >>> Subject: Re: Accessible FM transmitters >>> >>> >>>> Just want to clear up what might be a slight misconception at least >>>> with >>>> regard to hobby broadcasting in the U.S. >>>> Hobby broadcasting is governed under FCC part 15 of the FCC rules and >>>> regs. >>>> These rules are summarized below. Thanks to the Ramsey Electronics >>>> Bulletin >>>> Board from which I copied this info. >>>> >>>> Hello All, >>>> >>>> After you read my post, please do not respond with comments about "go >>>> for >>>> it", "relax and have fun", "you won't hurt anybody and won't get >>>> caught", >>>> or >>>> many of the other criticisms which have resulted when someone, such as >>>> I, >>>> explain the reality of the FCC rules regarding part 15 FM. My intent is >>>> not >>>> to >>>> tell anyone what to do or what not to do; it is to provide information >>>> so >>>> those who are interested can have a knowledge base from which they can >>>> decide >>>> on their own how to proceed. If I state technical or other >>>> inaccuracies, >>>> I >>>> will welcome and acknowledge corrections. >>>> >>>> The FCC rules for unlicensed operation in the FM band limit, among >>>> other >>>> things, the field strength to 250 microvolts per meter measured at 3 >>>> meters. >>>> This >>>> is not a limit on power, transmission lines, grounds, nor antennas. >>>> This >>>> limit actually includes the effects of all of these variables and >>>> focuses >>>> only >>>> on the outcome. To put this field strength in perspective, this field >>>> strength can be produced by about 11 nanowatts into a dipole antenna. >>>> One >>>> nanowatt >>>> is one one millionth of a milliwatt, so the information typically >>>> mentioned >>>> about 25 milliwatt transmitters is not only not presenting any >>>> meaningful >>>> information >>>> about compliance with the FCC rules, it is misleading people into >>>> believing >>>> that this power is the norm for legal hobby FM. A 25 milliwatt output >>>> delivered >>>> to a typical antenna will exceed the field strength limit by about 1400 >>>> times. Many have been cited and fined where the citations mention field >>>> strengths >>>> in the range of that which can easily be produced by 25 milliwatt >>>> transmitter output power. >>>> >>>> If you don't think this is something to consider, check these links >>>> (look >>>> for NOUO and NAL): >>>> >>>> http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/ >>>> >>>> http://www.fcc.gov/eb/Orders/Welcome.html >>>> >>>> You will see that there are many citations and fines for unlicensed >>>> operation on the FM band. You might think that the kit your built is OK >>>> but >>>> consider >>>> the information on the following links, especially with regard to the >>>> calculated "milliwatt" transmitter powers which resulted in FCC >>>> actions: >>>> >>>> http://part15.us/node/1375#comment-4249 >>>> >>>> http://www.part15.us/node/716#comment-1578 >>>> >>>> You might assume that because you bought a FM transmitter kit from a >>>> good >>>> source (such as Ramsey) that it is going to be legal to put it on the >>>> air. >>>> This >>>> is not true unless you can, by some means, assure that you comply with >>>> the >>>> rules. All of the FM transmitter kits of which I am aware are NOT FCC >>>> certified >>>> nor type accepted. It is legal to offer these for sale as kits, but the >>>> responsibility for legal use falls on the user. There is no assurance >>>> to >>>> be >>>> gained >>>> that you will not have a problem just because you bought and assembled >>>> a >>>> kit >>>> from a reputable manufacturer. It is up to you! >>>> >>>> I have a Ramsey FM transmitter and I have limited the range of this >>>> unit >>>> to >>>> less than 200 feet. Why? Because the FCC itself has published an >>>> information >>>> sheet which states that this is the approximate range to expect from a >>>> legal >>>> station. I have no other means to judge my compliance with the >>>> regulations, >>>> but this is probably close enough. >>>> >>>> You can achieve, with the kits available and simple antennas, much >>>> greater >>>> range but consider that you cannot do so legally in the US. A cavelier >>>> attitude >>>> on the part of those who operate FM transmitters built from kits and >>>> who >>>> intentionally or unintentionally violate the rules may result in, by a >>>> change >>>> in the rules, the complete elimination of FM transmitter kits from the >>>> market >>>> >>>> It is your choice regarding what you do. It is my hope, after you have >>>> read >>>> this, that you will do so knowing what is involved. >>>> >>>> Neil >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Bob Seed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 4:02 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Accessible FM transmitters >>>> >>>> >>>>> Oops, I wouldn't recommend going that route! There are very strict >>>>> rules >>>>> governing FM broadcasting in the United States and Canada. Anything >>>>> over >>>>> 1 >>>>> watt requires a broadcast licence, and you have to ensure that the >>>>> frequency >>>>> that you are transmitting on is not being occupied by another >>>>> broadcaster. >>>>> The FM transmitter that is being recommended on this site is more than >>>>> adequate to cover the average home. The seller of the unit is not >>>>> responsible for any modification done to the unit in order to >>>>> broadcast >>>>> beyond the recommended coverage area. . >>>>> \ >>>>> From: "DJ DOCTOR P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 12:42 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: Accessible FM transmitters >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hello Russell,this is John. >>>>>> I have been doing some research on transmitters and amplifiers. >>>>>> You can take one of these transmitters that was designed for home >>>>>> use, >>>>>> and >>>>>> hook it up to a 1000 watt amplifier. >>>>>> This will allow you to broadcast all over town, that is, if you >>>>>> wanted >>>>>> to. >>>>>> Based on this, I will try to set up my own gospel radio station, and >>>>>> run >>>>>> it >>>>>> out of my house. >>>>>> But however, for starters, the $340 fm radio transmitter with a 1000 >>>>>> watt >>>>>> amplifier witch will cost around $500, will do the trick for me. >>>>>> The Bose and or any radio will pick up a signal this strong. >>>>>> The thing that you may have to do, is get an FCC license to >>>>>> broadcast. >>>>>> This is something that I'm still trying to figure out how to go about >>>>>> obtaining. >>>>>> Just as soon as I find out how, I will post it here in pc audio. >>>>>> John Price. >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "russell Bourgoin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 4:31 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: Accessible FM transmitters >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Jonathan, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm very interested in purchasing a unit as you describe in >>>>>>> your mail. When you say its priced on the high side, how high is >>>>>>> high? And, did they charge more for adding the features that you >>>>>>> requested? Is there a contact that you have to whom I could speak >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> obtain a unit tricked out as is yours? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I do some dejaying at fish and gun club functions. Often I >>>>>>> bring a few large bose accoustic waves and place them outside facing >>>>>>> the say, family day activities. The cooking crew is off at the >>>>>>> barbecue pit and are out of range of the bose radios that I bring, >>>>>>> so >>>>>>> they park their trucks around the pit and tune radios >>>>>>> in. Unfortunately, they are out of reach of the c crane >>>>>>> transmitter, >>>>>>> altered as it is. Hence my interest in the unit you describe. Any >>>>>>> info is surely appreciated. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Rusty >>>>>>> > At 10:19 AM 9/11/2007, Bob Seed spake thusly:- >>>>>>>> couple of months ago, there was a great thread on this list about >>>>>>>> FM >>>>>>>>transmitters. A user recommended the transmitter found at >>>>>>>>http://www.wavemach.com. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I purchased one of these and am thrilled. The range is huge, the >>>>>>>>construction solid, no nasty power hum, very good stereo separation, >>>>>>>>in >>>>>>>>short, no complaints whatsoever. I got him to add a level control >>>>>>>>that >>>>>>>>allows me to set the line in for the two RCA sockets, and he also >>>>>>>>added >>>>>>>>small buttons for setting the frequency. It has a standard antenna >>>>>>>>socket >>>>>>>>at >>>>>>>>the back and comes with a very solid little antenna, not just a >>>>>>>>wire. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>So if you're looking for an FM transmitter, this one is definitely >>>>>>>>worth >>>>>>>>a >>>>>>>>look, but it is on the high end of the price range. You definitely >>>>>>>>get >>>>>>>>what >>>>>>>>you pay for though. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Jonathan >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>From: "Jason Boston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>>>>>>>Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 1:26 AM >>>>>>>>Subject: Accessible FM transmitters >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > Hi all, >>>>>>>> > I'm looking for a blind friendly FM transmitter that will work >>>>>>>> > well >>>>>>>> > with >>>>>>>> > PC, stereo, mp3 player, etc. It also needs to be able to >>>>>>>> > broadcast >>>>>>>> > 150+ >>>>>>>> > feet in a household environment. This is for use in the USA, so >>>>>>>> > the >>>>>>>> > broadcasting frequencies need to end in odd numbers. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > I also would like the transmitter to have multiple power supply >>>>>>>> > options >>>>>>>> > like car adapter, AC adapter, batteries, even USB. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > I've seen one called MobileBlackBox v5000 fm transmitter, but it >>>>>>>> > seems >>>>>>>> > to be out of stock and I don't know how easy it is to use. Also, >>>>>>>> > I >>>>>>>> > don't >>>>>>>> > know if it lives up to the range it claims. 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