Just wait until such time that they start putting television signals down 
that pipe.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brent Harding" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: broadcasting question


> I'm sure the IBOC signal will have more response once converted into its
> analog form. I wonder if the same type of thing is what makes the phone 
> have
> as little as it does, to make room for other stuff at other frequencies 
> such
> as DSL or other things the phone companies put in that old copper wire? 
> The
> response is that different on a phone that you can almost not recognize
> someone that you could in person or even on FM radio, or anything higher
> quality.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dave Marthouse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 2:30 PM
> Subject: Re: broadcasting question
>
>
>> The reason why lots of am stations are tailoring their audio response to
>> 5KHZ is to make room for the IBOC signal.  IBOC is in band on channel
>> digital audio broadcasting.  The current hybrid form of IBOC being used 
>> in
>> the united states takes up the sidebands above the 5KHZ bandwidth.
>>
>>
>> Dave Marthouse
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Chuck Adkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 3:00 PM
>> Subject: Re: broadcasting question
>>
>>
>>> Yes, that's true. But in most cases, they already had the audio response
>>> necessary. They already had good response before the made it 5KHZ.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Bob Seed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 2:50 PM
>>> Subject: Re: broadcasting question
>>>
>>>
>>> > The frequency response on AM radio isn't that good to begin with, and
>>> > it
>>> > is
>>> > certainly not worth  spending the money to enhance the audio. The
>> thinking
>>> > here is to produce a signal that has a flat response and leave the
>>> > other
>>> > adjustments to the listener. However on FM it is a  different story.
>>> > Audio processing can now be done remotely from the desktop, and can be
>>> > adjusted to fit a number of different formats.
>>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> > From: "Chuck Adkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> > To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>>> > Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 2:33 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: broadcasting question
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> Yes, an engineer told me that he set his station audio for 6KHZ audio
>> and
>>> >> he
>>> >> runs an analog station which touts music. Go figure.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> >> From: "Brent Harding" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> >> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>>> >> Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 12:40 PM
>>> >> Subject: Re: broadcasting question
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>> Well, AM is almost as low quality sounding as the telephone but it
>>> >>> has
>> a
>>> >>> different sort of sound to it. I suppose they need that bandwidth 
>>> >>> for
>>> >>> the
>>> >>> IBOC. I thought normal was a 10K limit and now down to 5, that's a
>>> >>> lot
>>> >>> of
>>> >>> difference, in theory.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> >>> From: "Chuck Adkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> >>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>>> >>> Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 10:08 AM
>>> >>> Subject: Re: broadcasting question
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Well, they tell me that it cuts down on AM splatter. I am amazed
>>> >>>> that
>> a
>>> >>>> station here WMNI who touts their music is now using the 5khz 
>>> >>>> audio.
>>> >>>> The
>>> >>>> transmitters that do analog and IBOC have a setting for 5KHZ which
>>> >>>> is
>>> >>>> what
>>> >>>> their analog signal gives you when they are using IBOC. Engineers
>> tell
>>> >>>> me
>>> >>>> that they are going to that because everyone else is and they say
>> "it's
>>> >>>> good
>>> >>>> enough." There is no hearing advantage to the 5KHZ audio, just tech
>>> >>>> advantages from what I can tell. AM engineers don't feel the need
>>> >>>> anymore
>>> >>>> to
>>> >>>> sound as good as they can, they just seem to want to sound like
>>> >>>> everyone
>>> >>>> else.
>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> >>>> From: "Brent Harding" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> >>>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>>> >>>> Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 10:57 AM
>>> >>>> Subject: Re: broadcasting question
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>>I wonder what is better about 5k AM?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> >>>>> From: "Chuck Adkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> >>>>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>>> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 4:40 AM
>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: broadcasting question
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Bob, you make a number of great points. I read something a few
>>> >>>>>> days
>>> >>>>>> ago
>>> >>>>>> where a broadcaster mentioned he lived in a small town and his
>> local
>>> >>>>>> station
>>> >>>>>> was bought by you know who and they've gone all satellite talk
>>> >>>>>> with
>>> >>>>>> very
>>> >>>>>> little local programming. It was on AM and of course, had that
>>> >>>>>> Damn
>>> >>>>>> 5khz
>>> >>>>>> audio the AM engineers have  fallen in love with. He then decided
>> to
>>> >>>>>> get
>>> >>>>>> XM.
>>> >>>>>> Whey? As he put it, "whey not have the same thing, more variety,
>> and
>>> >>>>>> better
>>> >>>>>> audio." True, this is only one but, one and one make two, which
>> makes
>>> >>>>>> four,
>>> >>>>>> which makes 8, you get my point. These greedy short term thinking
>>> >>>>>> broadcasters may not get it before it's too late, if it already
>>> >>>>>> isn't.
>>> >>>>>> My
>>> >>>>>> 11
>>> >>>>>> year old grandson doesn't care about radio at all. I am aware of
>> many
>>> >>>>>> kids
>>> >>>>>> his age who don't know the first thing about radio, but they know
>> how
>>> >>>>>> to
>>> >>>>>> download music.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> I think you will find very interesting.
>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> >>>>>> From: "Bob Seed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> >>>>>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>>> >>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 11:20 PM
>>> >>>>>> Subject: Re: broadcasting question
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> It is possible that they may have some live programming in prime
>>> >>>>>>> time,
>>> >>>>>>> but
>>> >>>>>>> I
>>> >>>>>>> would venture to say that in off hours it is 100% automation.
>>> >>>>>>> When
>>> >>>>>>> it
>>> >>>>>>> is
>>> >>>>>>> raining cats and dogs and the announcer says that it is bright
>>> >>>>>>> and
>>> >>>>>>> sunny
>>> >>>>>>> you
>>> >>>>>>> know damn well that the station is on automatic pilot. Not good
>>> >>>>>>> programming
>>> >>>>>>> as far as I am  concerned. besides I probably have more songs on
>> my
>>> >>>>>>> ipod
>>> >>>>>>> than most stations have on their play list.
>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> >>>>>>> From: "Brent Harding" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> >>>>>>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>>> >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 10:48 PM
>>> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: broadcasting question
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> Well, I think they are required to be auto for a certain 
>>> >>>>>>>> period,
>>> >>>>>>>> then
>>> >>>>>>>> they
>>> >>>>>>>> have DJ's. I know Kjac is one station of the Jac format that 
>>> >>>>>>>> has
>>> >>>>>>>> jocks
>>> >>>>>>>> on.
>>> >>>>>>>> When I first tried listening to it though, it was all music.
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> >>>>>>>> From: "Bob Seed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> >>>>>>>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>>> >>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 7:17 PM
>>> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: broadcasting question
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>I personally know of a number of stations in Canada that are
>>> >>>>>>>>>operated
>>> >>>>>>>>> completely by one person. Most of the work is contracted out 
>>> >>>>>>>>> in
>>> >>>>>>>>> order
>>> >>>>>>>>> to
>>> >>>>>>>>> save money. Take for an example the Jack format. The format 
>>> >>>>>>>>> has
>>> >>>>>>>>> become
>>> >>>>>>>>> popular in both the  United States and Canada. The stations
>>> >>>>>>>>> that
>>> >>>>>>>>> bought
>>> >>>>>>>>> the
>>> >>>>>>>>> rights to the format cleaned house, and rely completely on 
>>> >>>>>>>>> Jack
>>> >>>>>>>>> radio
>>> >>>>>>>>> automation 24/7. Just load the computer and the program runs
>>> >>>>>>>>> indefinitely.
>>> >>>>>>>>> Why hire people when Jack can do the job. This of course does
>> not
>>> >>>>>>>>> make
>>> >>>>>>>>> good
>>> >>>>>>>>> radio, but try to convince the owners of such stations that
>> there
>>> >>>>>>>>> has
>>> >>>>>>>>> to
>>> >>>>>>>>> be
>>> >>>>>>>>> a human element to overlook things. .
>>> >>>>>>>>> I think that it was Lord Thompson that said "Owning a radio
>>> >>>>>>>>> station
>>> >>>>>>>>> licence
>>> >>>>>>>>> is like having a licence to print money."
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> >>>>>>>>> From: "Gary Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> >>>>>>>>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 7:45 PM
>>> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: broadcasting question
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> But it seems that if radio stations are relying heavily on
>>> >>>>>>>>>> computers
>>> >>>>>>>>>> these
>>> >>>>>>>>>> days, that they should be able to use accessible equipment so
>>> >>>>>>>>>> that
>>> >>>>>>>>>> more
>>> >>>>>>>>>> people can take advantage of a dream to get on the radio for
>> the
>>> >>>>>>>>>> world!
>>> >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> >>>>>>>>>> From: "Bob Seed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 8:33 PM
>>> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: broadcasting question
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> That amount of money could easily buy an entire radio 
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> station
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> including
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> the
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> building that it is housed in. Unfortunately the vast
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> majority
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> of
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> broadcasters are not willing to pay for the cost of adaptive
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> equipment
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> nor
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> are they willing to modify their equipment in order to
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> provide
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> for
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> workplace
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> accommodation. With the introduction of computers into the
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> broadcast
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> environment the industry has changed from a hands on user
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> friendly
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> workplace
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> to one that in today's world looks more like a television
>> studio
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> with
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> several monitors that have to be viewed constantly in order
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> to
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> make
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> sure
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> that all operating functions are carried out flawlessly. 
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> This
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> could
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> be
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> anything from: the regular play list, transmitter functions,
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> news
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> feeds,
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> station traffic and scheduling, and in many small markets 
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> the
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> reading
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> of
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> news and commercials. If you really want to get a taste as 
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> to
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> what
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> radio
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> is
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> all about I would suggest visiting a radio station in your
>> area
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> and
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> talk
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> to
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> the staff, and from there you will get a feeling if this is
>> the
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> right
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> business for you to be getting into. Another idea is to find
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> a
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> not
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> for
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> profit community radio station that is run by volunteers.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Volunteers
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> will
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> often take the time to show you the ropes of the industry.
>> many
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> of
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> these
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> small stations are  hands on operations without a lot of
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> computer
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> equipment
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> and software programs. In most cases there is a small eight
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> input
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> control
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> board with a telephone hybrid and a couple of CD and 
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> cassette
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> players.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> This
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> in my opinion is a foot in the door as they say. An online
>> radio
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> station
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> or
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> signing up to perform in announcing function or host on ACB
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> radio
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> is
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> yet
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> another option that should seriously be considered. The
>> downside
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> of
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> the
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> broadcast industry is that most radio stations are automated
>> and
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> unfortunately do not require staffing levels that we
>> experienced
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> five
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> to
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ten
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> years ago. The bottom line here is that you are going to 
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> have
>> to
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> do
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> your
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> homework and figure out what exactly your strong points are
>> and
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> work
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> on
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> them. Do you feel that you would make a good announcer/host?
>> Do
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> you
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> feel
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> that you have the skills to write a intelligent news story
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> and
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> do
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> all
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> of
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> the
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> research behind the story that you are researching? Are you
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> capable
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> of
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> writing copy for commercials? How about your production
>> skills.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Do
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> you
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> have
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> the production skills to do electronic editing on the fly?
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> broadcast
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> industry is very demanding and expects most of us that have
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> worked
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> in
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> the
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> industry to be multitask. Personally I have worked in the
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> industry
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> for
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> over thirty years and got out of the business just about the
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> time
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> that
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> computers and radio automation took over.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ----
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Original Message ----- 
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> From: "Brent Harding" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 7:00 PM
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: broadcasting question
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Wow! $500,000 would buy an awful lot of equipment. I know 
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> of
>> no
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> studio
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> worth that much in equipment alone unless one was talking
>> about
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> buying
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> actual building.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Brandon Hicks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 5:31 PM
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: broadcasting question
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> hi list,
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm interested in going into radio broadcasting. I know
>> there
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> people
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> out
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> there who have done it, so I emailed a local school that
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> teaches
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> course
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> for broadcasting. here is the reply I received when I 
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> asked
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> blind
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> person attending.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Brandon, sorry about the delay in getting back to you.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> is not a program that is suitable to the visually 
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> impaired.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Mainly
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> because
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the cost of accomodating the expense of required equipment
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> exceed
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> over
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> $500,000.00.  Not only the expense, but radio stations and
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> corporate
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ownership will never incur such an expense, nor is it
>> feasible
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> create
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> studio suitable for this. I understand your 
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> disappointment,
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> however,
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wanted
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> to be very honest with you regarding the reality of this. 
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> truly
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wish
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> well in all of your future endeavors and if there is
>> anything
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> require
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> further information on, please feel free to email or call
>> me.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Once
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> again,
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> thank you for your interest in CSMB.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacquie Hammond
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> President/CSMB
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Now what is this 500 thousand dollar cost all about? I
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> able
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> to,
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> far as I know and I did visit a radio studio to use the
>> mixing
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> boards,
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> they use windows software for the playlist editing, so it
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> simple
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> matter of creating scripts. I'm quite curious to see, has
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> got
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> any
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> clues?
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Brandon Hicks
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Skype: callto://reyuth
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>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
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