That is to say if we can get everyone on the same page, and workout a standard that will make everyone happy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Marthouse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 11:27 PM Subject: Re: broadcasting question
> In my opinion fm iboc will do well as receiver prices come down and > multi-channel capability comes to pass. I think you hit the nail on the > head regarding am iboc. In the future things may get better on the am > front > when the hybrid am iboc will be replaced by full digital. I think the > total > digital conversion will take ten or more years. > > > Dave Marthouse > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Adkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 11:12 PM > Subject: Re: broadcasting question > > >> The question though, is whey stations are doing it who are analog and >> have >> no plans for IBOC in the near future. From what most engineers tell me >> who >> don't work for CC or NPR, AM IBOC is a real bad deal for AM audio and the >> IBOC audio sounds like a bad Windows Media feed, but there has been too > much >> money invested by NPR and Clear Channel to turn back now. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dave Marthouse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >> Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 3:30 PM >> Subject: Re: broadcasting question >> >> >> > The reason why lots of am stations are tailoring their audio response >> > to >> > 5KHZ is to make room for the IBOC signal. IBOC is in band on channel >> > digital audio broadcasting. The current hybrid form of IBOC being used > in >> > the united states takes up the sidebands above the 5KHZ bandwidth. >> > >> > >> > Dave Marthouse >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Chuck Adkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >> > Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 3:00 PM >> > Subject: Re: broadcasting question >> > >> > >> >> Yes, that's true. But in most cases, they already had the audio > response >> >> necessary. They already had good response before the made it 5KHZ. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Bob Seed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >> >> Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 2:50 PM >> >> Subject: Re: broadcasting question >> >> >> >> >> >> > The frequency response on AM radio isn't that good to begin with, >> >> > and >> >> > it >> >> > is >> >> > certainly not worth spending the money to enhance the audio. The >> > thinking >> >> > here is to produce a signal that has a flat response and leave the >> >> > other >> >> > adjustments to the listener. However on FM it is a different story. >> >> > Audio processing can now be done remotely from the desktop, and can > be >> >> > adjusted to fit a number of different formats. >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> > From: "Chuck Adkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >> >> > Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 2:33 PM >> >> > Subject: Re: broadcasting question >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> Yes, an engineer told me that he set his station audio for 6KHZ > audio >> > and >> >> >> he >> >> >> runs an analog station which touts music. Go figure. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> From: "Brent Harding" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >> >> >> Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 12:40 PM >> >> >> Subject: Re: broadcasting question >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Well, AM is almost as low quality sounding as the telephone but it >> >> >>> has >> > a >> >> >>> different sort of sound to it. I suppose they need that bandwidth > for >> >> >>> the >> >> >>> IBOC. I thought normal was a 10K limit and now down to 5, that's a >> >> >>> lot >> >> >>> of >> >> >>> difference, in theory. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >>> From: "Chuck Adkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >> >> >>> Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 10:08 AM >> >> >>> Subject: Re: broadcasting question >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> Well, they tell me that it cuts down on AM splatter. I am amazed >> >> >>>> that >> > a >> >> >>>> station here WMNI who touts their music is now using the 5khz > audio. >> >> >>>> The >> >> >>>> transmitters that do analog and IBOC have a setting for 5KHZ >> >> >>>> which >> >> >>>> is >> >> >>>> what >> >> >>>> their analog signal gives you when they are using IBOC. Engineers >> > tell >> >> >>>> me >> >> >>>> that they are going to that because everyone else is and they say >> > "it's >> >> >>>> good >> >> >>>> enough." There is no hearing advantage to the 5KHZ audio, just > tech >> >> >>>> advantages from what I can tell. AM engineers don't feel the need >> >> >>>> anymore >> >> >>>> to >> >> >>>> sound as good as they can, they just seem to want to sound like >> >> >>>> everyone >> >> >>>> else. >> >> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >>>> From: "Brent Harding" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >>>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >> >> >>>> Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 10:57 AM >> >> >>>> Subject: Re: broadcasting question >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>>>I wonder what is better about 5k AM? >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >>>>> From: "Chuck Adkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >>>>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >> >> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 4:40 AM >> >> >>>>> Subject: Re: broadcasting question >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>>> Bob, you make a number of great points. I read something a few >> >> >>>>>> days >> >> >>>>>> ago >> >> >>>>>> where a broadcaster mentioned he lived in a small town and his >> > local >> >> >>>>>> station >> >> >>>>>> was bought by you know who and they've gone all satellite talk >> >> >>>>>> with >> >> >>>>>> very >> >> >>>>>> little local programming. It was on AM and of course, had that >> >> >>>>>> Damn >> >> >>>>>> 5khz >> >> >>>>>> audio the AM engineers have fallen in love with. He then > decided >> > to >> >> >>>>>> get >> >> >>>>>> XM. >> >> >>>>>> Whey? As he put it, "whey not have the same thing, more >> >> >>>>>> variety, >> > and >> >> >>>>>> better >> >> >>>>>> audio." True, this is only one but, one and one make two, which >> > makes >> >> >>>>>> four, >> >> >>>>>> which makes 8, you get my point. These greedy short term > thinking >> >> >>>>>> broadcasters may not get it before it's too late, if it already >> >> >>>>>> isn't. >> >> >>>>>> My >> >> >>>>>> 11 >> >> >>>>>> year old grandson doesn't care about radio at all. I am aware >> >> >>>>>> of >> > many >> >> >>>>>> kids >> >> >>>>>> his age who don't know the first thing about radio, but they > know >> > how >> >> >>>>>> to >> >> >>>>>> download music. >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> I think you will find very interesting. >> >> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >>>>>> From: "Bob Seed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >>>>>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >> >> >>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 11:20 PM >> >> >>>>>> Subject: Re: broadcasting question >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>> It is possible that they may have some live programming in > prime >> >> >>>>>>> time, >> >> >>>>>>> but >> >> >>>>>>> I >> >> >>>>>>> would venture to say that in off hours it is 100% automation. >> >> >>>>>>> When >> >> >>>>>>> it >> >> >>>>>>> is >> >> >>>>>>> raining cats and dogs and the announcer says that it is bright >> >> >>>>>>> and >> >> >>>>>>> sunny >> >> >>>>>>> you >> >> >>>>>>> know damn well that the station is on automatic pilot. Not >> >> >>>>>>> good >> >> >>>>>>> programming >> >> >>>>>>> as far as I am concerned. besides I probably have more songs > on >> > my >> >> >>>>>>> ipod >> >> >>>>>>> than most stations have on their play list. >> >> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >>>>>>> From: "Brent Harding" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >>>>>>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >> >> >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 10:48 PM >> >> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: broadcasting question >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> Well, I think they are required to be auto for a certain > period, >> >> >>>>>>>> then >> >> >>>>>>>> they >> >> >>>>>>>> have DJ's. I know Kjac is one station of the Jac format that > has >> >> >>>>>>>> jocks >> >> >>>>>>>> on. >> >> >>>>>>>> When I first tried listening to it though, it was all music. >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >>>>>>>> From: "Bob Seed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >>>>>>>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >> >> >>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 7:17 PM >> >> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: broadcasting question >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>I personally know of a number of stations in Canada that are >> >> >>>>>>>>>operated >> >> >>>>>>>>> completely by one person. Most of the work is contracted out > in >> >> >>>>>>>>> order >> >> >>>>>>>>> to >> >> >>>>>>>>> save money. Take for an example the Jack format. The format > has >> >> >>>>>>>>> become >> >> >>>>>>>>> popular in both the United States and Canada. The stations >> >> >>>>>>>>> that >> >> >>>>>>>>> bought >> >> >>>>>>>>> the >> >> >>>>>>>>> rights to the format cleaned house, and rely completely on > Jack >> >> >>>>>>>>> radio >> >> >>>>>>>>> automation 24/7. Just load the computer and the program runs >> >> >>>>>>>>> indefinitely. >> >> >>>>>>>>> Why hire people when Jack can do the job. This of course >> >> >>>>>>>>> does >> > not >> >> >>>>>>>>> make >> >> >>>>>>>>> good >> >> >>>>>>>>> radio, but try to convince the owners of such stations that >> > there >> >> >>>>>>>>> has >> >> >>>>>>>>> to >> >> >>>>>>>>> be >> >> >>>>>>>>> a human element to overlook things. . >> >> >>>>>>>>> I think that it was Lord Thompson that said "Owning a radio >> >> >>>>>>>>> station >> >> >>>>>>>>> licence >> >> >>>>>>>>> is like having a licence to print money." >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >>>>>>>>> From: "Gary Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >>>>>>>>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 7:45 PM >> >> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: broadcasting question >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> But it seems that if radio stations are relying heavily on >> >> >>>>>>>>>> computers >> >> >>>>>>>>>> these >> >> >>>>>>>>>> days, that they should be able to use accessible equipment > so >> >> >>>>>>>>>> that >> >> >>>>>>>>>> more >> >> >>>>>>>>>> people can take advantage of a dream to get on the radio >> >> >>>>>>>>>> for >> > the >> >> >>>>>>>>>> world! >> >> >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >>>>>>>>>> From: "Bob Seed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 8:33 PM >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: broadcasting question >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> That amount of money could easily buy an entire radio > station >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> including >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> the >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> building that it is housed in. Unfortunately the vast >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> majority >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> of >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> broadcasters are not willing to pay for the cost of > adaptive >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> equipment >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> nor >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> are they willing to modify their equipment in order to >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> provide >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> for >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> workplace >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> accommodation. With the introduction of computers into the >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> broadcast >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> environment the industry has changed from a hands on user >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> friendly >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> workplace >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> to one that in today's world looks more like a television >> > studio >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> with >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> several monitors that have to be viewed constantly in >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> order >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> to >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> make >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> sure >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> that all operating functions are carried out flawlessly. > This >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> could >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> be >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> anything from: the regular play list, transmitter > functions, >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> news >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> feeds, >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> station traffic and scheduling, and in many small markets > the >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> reading >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> of >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> news and commercials. If you really want to get a taste as > to >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> what >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> radio >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> is >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> all about I would suggest visiting a radio station in your >> > area >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> and >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> talk >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> to >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> the staff, and from there you will get a feeling if this >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> is >> > the >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> right >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> business for you to be getting into. Another idea is to > find >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> a >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> not >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> for >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> profit community radio station that is run by volunteers. >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Volunteers >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> will >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> often take the time to show you the ropes of the industry. >> > many >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> of >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> these >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> small stations are hands on operations without a lot of >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> computer >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> equipment >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> and software programs. In most cases there is a small >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> eight >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> input >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> control >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> board with a telephone hybrid and a couple of CD and > cassette >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> players. >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> This >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> in my opinion is a foot in the door as they say. An online >> > radio >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> station >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> or >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> signing up to perform in announcing function or host on >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> ACB >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> radio >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> is >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> yet >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> another option that should seriously be considered. The >> > downside >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> of >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> the >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> broadcast industry is that most radio stations are > automated >> > and >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> unfortunately do not require staffing levels that we >> > experienced >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> five >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> to >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> ten >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> years ago. The bottom line here is that you are going to > have >> > to >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> do >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> your >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> homework and figure out what exactly your strong points >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> are >> > and >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> work >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> on >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> them. Do you feel that you would make a good > announcer/host? >> > Do >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> you >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> feel >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> that you have the skills to write a intelligent news story >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> and >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> do >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> all >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> of >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> the >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> research behind the story that you are researching? Are >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> you >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> capable >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> of >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> writing copy for commercials? How about your production >> > skills. >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Do >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> you >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> have >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> the production skills to do electronic editing on the fly? >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> The >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> broadcast >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> industry is very demanding and expects most of us that >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> have >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> worked >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> in >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> the >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> industry to be multitask. Personally I have worked in the >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> industry >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> for >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> over thirty years and got out of the business just about > the >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> time >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> that >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> computers and radio automation took over. >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> ---- >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Original Message ----- >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> From: "Brent Harding" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 7:00 PM >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: broadcasting question >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Wow! $500,000 would buy an awful lot of equipment. I know > of >> > no >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> studio >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> worth that much in equipment alone unless one was talking >> > about >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> buying >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> an >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> actual building. >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Brandon Hicks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 5:31 PM >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: broadcasting question >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> hi list, >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm interested in going into radio broadcasting. I know >> > there >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> are >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> people >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> out >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> there who have done it, so I emailed a local school that >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> teaches >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> a >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> course >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> for broadcasting. here is the reply I received when I > asked >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> about >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> a >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> blind >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> person attending. >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Brandon, sorry about the delay in getting back to >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> you. >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> this >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> is not a program that is suitable to the visually > impaired. >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Mainly >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> because >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the cost of accomodating the expense of required > equipment >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> would >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> exceed >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> over >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> $500,000.00. Not only the expense, but radio stations > and >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> their >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> corporate >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ownership will never incur such an expense, nor is it >> > feasible >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> to >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> create >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> a >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> studio suitable for this. I understand your > disappointment, >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> however, >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wanted >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> to be very honest with you regarding the reality of >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> this. > I >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> truly >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wish >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> you >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> well in all of your future endeavors and if there is >> > anything >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> you >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> require >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> further information on, please feel free to email or >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> call >> > me. >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Once >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> again, >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> thank you for your interest in CSMB. >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacquie Hammond >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> President/CSMB >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Now what is this 500 thousand dollar cost all about? I >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> would >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> be >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> able >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> to, >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> as >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> far as I know and I did visit a radio studio to use the >> > mixing >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> boards, >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> and >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> they use windows software for the playlist editing, so >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> it >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> would >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> be >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> a >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> simple >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> matter of creating scripts. I'm quite curious to see, >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> has >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> got >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> any >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> clues? >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Brandon Hicks >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Skype: callto://reyuth >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.pc-audio.org >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. 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