That is, after you spend the $200 for soundforge, and why I am stil wondering why does sound forge cost so much compaired to gold wave, unless it has 200 features that gold wave doesn't, I'm not spending that much. Not after I spend $50, at the most, for gold wave, and why I'm buying gold wave. Tyler ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Toews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <Pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 9:39 PM Subject: RE: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions
>I believe in Gold Wave. It's gotten a lot of knocking over the years from > people who sincerely believe that anything other than Sound Forge is a > hopeless program to use. > > Bruce > > -- > Bruce Toews > E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net > Info on the Best TV Show of All Time: http://www.cornergas.com > > On Thu, 5 Jan 2006, Curtis Delzer wrote: > >> What are you writing at first 22,050hz at 16Bit or smaller? in >> stereo, you could only go about 6 hours and 40 minutes at that rate >> before you'd fill a fat 32 disk with 2 gigabytes. 24K mp3s don't >> really sound that good, the smallest I do is 32K or 32K at the lowest >> vbr rating of the encoder engine I use, can't spell frahnhoffer but I >> tried, but, again, on the BP 24K mp3s I guess are ok. One mp3 at >> that length would be a little unwieldy to me, but that is just >> individual preference, and the bp does keep track of where you're >> reading in any case. What is a *.pca file? >> I am going to give GoldWave a look to see how they use noise >> reduction or how their native noise reduction works, it's worth >> the$50 because of the support to keyboards the program continues to >> have as well. >> Bruce, you're a good promulgator of the program, :) <grin> >> >> Curtis Delzer >> >> At 04:12 PM 1/5/2006, you wrote: >>> No, I'm doing many of the same things you mentioned already. I'm >>> getting >>> rid of beginnings and endings of all sides, blowing off all references >>> to >>> cassettes in general. >>> >>> When I'm done, I have a single MP3, 24 KBPS, that works nicely in the >>> Book >>> Port. >>> >>> I dug out the deck, and the crosstalk is no more. >>> >>> Sixteen sides is the most I've ever digitized--made for a heck of a >>> file, >>> but it worked. >>> >>> I guess I could do all that region creation stuff, which makes sense, >>> but I >>> save each side as a .pca file, then I combine them and render them as a >>> single MP3. I don't even keep the stuff about "continuing on page >>> such-and-such" at the beginning of every side. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> On Behalf Of Curtis Delzer >>> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 4:54 AM >>> To: PC audio discussion list. >>> Subject: Re: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions >>> >>> I initially forgot a couple steps, very important. After you've >>> recorded your "stereo" file with each track/side in the left and >>> right channels, you need to select the entire file and copy it to the >>> clip board and paste it into another window, one which is mono so the >>> sound will be in the center. OOPS, sorry about that. >>> You can do all the processing if you wish first before you do the >>> pasting into your mono file, but it is important if you can, to put >>> markers while the initial recording is being made when the cassette >>> sides end so you can find them in an 8 side file, for example, which >>> is just about the limit for fat32 (at 44,100Hz at 16bit stereo), if >>> you use that format on your hard drive. So, let's say you've recorded >>> your stereo file, 2 cassettes long which is about 3 hours, (probably >>> 2:56 or so), select it all, then paste it into your mono file. First, >>> the left channel, then the right channel. When you reverse the right >>> channel, after you've done that, your 11 hour file will look like >>> this; again after you've sampled down to 22,050Hz in mono, side 1, 2, >>> 5, 6, 7, 8, 3, 4, (from least to most time, left to right. I label >>> each region paying very close attention to the narrator so the >>> numbers coincide, but I don't keep him saying "side 2, side 3, etc. >>> and also I don't keep, "this book is up to 4 sides per cassette, or >>> "so many pages on so many sides," in digital format, (again just my >>> opinion, it is not needed, and, "to skip such and such in this book, >>> fast forward until a beep is heard, stop at that point to hear x x x, >>> or the beginning of the book." >>> The markers, though you made them going forward, after you've >>> reversed the right channel, the markers will be close to where the >>> "reversed" sides begin' or' end, but you'll have to hunt a bit. Make >>> new markers at the beginning and end of where you wish to create your >>> regions, so in that way if the left or right end of the region area >>> gets lost or unselected, you can readily find it again. >>> I just recorded, finished, "Undue Influence," by Steven Martini >>> tonight, while the Rose Bowl was going on, GO TEXAS! :) They did win, >>> during side 10 about 30 minutes before I finished the initial >>> recording before processing. >>> >>> At 04:47 PM 1/4/2006, you wrote: >>>> Thank you for such kind words, and I will do what I can to reveal >>>> what I do to get rid of noise in sound forge. >>>> Here is a message I sent to Nolan about it, but I'll amplify. >>>> Well, this is "off list," so no prob, and as far as replying, hey, >>>> what are we here >>>> fore, to help one another? Damn right! So, I enjoy it since I've done >>>> many hundred >>>> books and know how valuable it is when you hear something which, >>>> going in sounded >>>> like that unmentionable schtuff you mentioned, but coming out sounds >>>> fantastic! I, >>>> presume, you do have the sound forge noise reduction plug in, so if >>>> you do, then >>>> you're going to find that it will do a magnificent job, especially if >>>> you can get >>>> it to sample the sound in such a way that it automatically picks the >>>> "hiss," and/or >>>> the "noise" it is suppose to hear, and not what you don't want it to >>>> reduce like >>>> the voice. Since you've recorded in SF before and know how to >>>> reverse, what I do >>>> is make a region for each side of each cassette, and then have sf >>>> write those regions >>>> to specific *.wav files, and then use something else to make the mp3s >>>> at 32K or 32K >>>> with vbr so the sound is as good as it should be. I record at >>>> 44,100Hz and then change >>>> the sample rate to 22,050, (NOT RESAMPLE) just change the sample rate >>>> so the pitch >>>> halves, to resample would not change the pitch but you'd loose >>>> quality, and then >>>> apply noise reduction since the noise you wish for the NR to hear >>>> would be at the >>>> correct pitch as well. >>>> I hope some of this rambling helps. You can change the amount of >>>> noise reduction >>>> in the nr reduction plug-in, rather than use the preset of "0.250 >>>> seconds (a quarter >>>> second) (for fast computers) and then, since it's mode 1, you can >>>> then change the >>>> amount of supression in db. The "sample noise" checkbox should be >>>> checked, and when >>>> you first have it sample a noise, it auto unchecks itself since the >>>> nr plug-in has >>>> found the sample and made it's configuration and to that noise it's >>>> sampled, it's >>>> set. Change the db slider to, let's say, minus 40 DB and while >>>> listening to the "preview" >>>> you'll be amazed how wonderfully it will work. Then, save the >>>> setting, but make sure, >>>> before you save that setting, that the sample checkbox is then, >>>> checked, since if >>>> you use that setting in the future for another minus 40 db sample, >>>> you wish it to >>>> sample at least a quarter second of noise automatically, and by >>>> default. Many guys >>>> forget that checkbox and figure that since the slider is set for >>>> minus 40 db, it >>>> will get rid of the noise, forgetting that it needs to sample first >>>> some noise before >>>> it can apply it's magic to what you wish it to hear, not a voice or >>>> music. Plan to >>>> use a selected part of the noise when you make the nr plug-in hear >>>> noise, (the beginning >>>> of each side of a book is plenty of room for it) and you'll be really >>>> pleased, I >>>> guarantee. >>>> That dec, will make a huge difference though the handi-cassette is >>>> good one track >>>> at a time, even has better or less cross talk one track at a time, >>>> but is tedious >>>> that way. Recording off that dec in your garage (when you set it up) >>>> the right channel >>>> is tracks 4 and 3 sides 1 and 2 of the tape, and you know that if you >>>> first record >>>> 1 cassette, that if you press tab it will put the left channel by >>>> itself into a way >>>> which you can work with separately. Press tab until you hear only the >>>> right channel, >>>> then reverse it all at once. Then you should down sample, normalize, >>>> noise reduce, >>>> make regions for sides (which for best results should be noise >>>> reduced separately) >>>> and then have sf make your *.wav files. >>>> Getting to those sliders for minus db can be problematic, though, >>>> fortunately I have jfw 5.0 and it's native sound forge configuration >>>> files, so the sliders can be found. You must play around a good bit >>>> in the plug-in configuration, trying up and down arrow to find out >>>> which field(s) get changed, but when you do and learn which does >>>> change that slider from about minus 12.5 db which is a default >>>> setting when using the preset for "fast computers with 250 >>>> millisecond capture, you then will be amazed how well it works, >>>> again, especially, if it just hears noise such as tape hiss or hum >>>> before the recording begins. >>>> I hope all this helps. Take care and write to let me know how you're >>>> doing. >>>> Curtis Delzer >>>> >>>> At 02:06 PM 1/4/2006, you wrote: >>>> Thanks for the outstanding advice regarding the plug-in and the >>>> handi-cassette. I knew it was a piece of something unmentionable when >>>> it >>>> came to reproducing stereo sound; I need to hunt up my old cassette >>>> deck >>>> stored in a box in the garage, and I'll do that this weekend. >>>> I wonder if we could communicate via e-mail off list so I can get a >>> somewhat >>>> better handle on how to even begin to use that plug-in. I can't even >>>> get >>>> the auto trim crop to trim the silence off both ends of the recording >>>> appropriately--obviously operator incompetence alive, well, and at work >>>> in >>>> front of my keyboard. <smile> >>>> Again, Curtis, thanks for replying. I know it took time out of your >>>> life, >>>> and silly and goofy as it sounds, any time I get a reply from anyone, >>>> it's >>>> kind of a significant thing, especially when I stop and recognize how >>>> busy >>> I >>>> get and how easy it is to just say "poor slob; hope someone somewhere >>>> can >>>> figure that out for him," and hit the delete key. So when I say thanks >>>> for >>>> writing back, I truly am grateful. >>>> Where do I even go to activate the plug-in? I assume I have to select >>>> some >>>> tape hiss; that's easy enough to do. >>>> And do you do that before or after you resample? >>>> Nolan Crabb >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] or >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ >>>> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> ] >>>> On Behalf Of Curtis Delzer >>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 12:18 AM >>>> To: PC audio discussion list. >>>> Subject: Re: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions >>>> Sorry, but the HANDI-CASSETTE has a lot of cross talk by default, >>>> and nothing in sound forge can correct this. A better way is to use a >>>> regular stereo cassette dec and record tracks 1 and 4, then turn the >>>> cassette over and then record sides 2 and 3. This will make a file >>>> about an hour and a half long, (probably closer to about 84 or 85 >>>> minutes give or take). In SF you can press tab and get to either the >>>> left or right side, and you wish to reverse the right channel as you >>>> know. If you have the SF noise reduction plut-in, it is superlative >>>> at getting rid of the hiss. The commercial cassette stereo recorder >>>> has a much better cross talk capability, even a non expensive one. >>>> Somehow, the HANDI-CASSETTE, in stereo, is pretty lousy in this >>>> regard. If you use the sound forge noise reduction plut-in, use a >>>> facility in it which lets you sample the hiss in such a way that it >>>> is beyond the beginning of the tape and just before the narrator >>>> begins, and save the setting. You can tweak the settings to get that >>>> hiss up to 99 db below what it is, and if you do it right, the hiss >>>> will be virtually gone leaving the recording even better than the >>>> original, I know, I've done it several hundred times. >>>> Good luck! >>>> Curtis Delzer >>>> At 05:18 PM 1/3/2006, you wrote: >>>> >Greetings, all, and thanks in advance for reading this. >>>> > >>>> >I'm using Sound Forge 8 to digitize NLS four-track books for use in my >>> Book >>>> >Port. So here's the question: >>>> > >>>> >I'd love to reduce some of the tape hiss I get and to reduce some of >>>> >the >>>> >crosstalk that comes about when I record in stereo. (I record using a >>>> >handi-cassette as my player, record the tapes at double speed, then >>> reverse >>>> >tracks 3 and 4. I then resample the recordings so the speed is >>>> >normal, >>>> >combine the tracks and save them as single MP3 files that I later suck >>> into >>>> >the Book Port. >>>> > >>>> >How do I institute the plug-in that would help reduce at least the >>>> >hiss >>> if >>>> >not the crosstalk? >>>> > >>>> >Please, no messages about how I need a different player as my source. >>>> Trust >>>> >me, I get that already! >>>> > >>>> >Thanks for any help you can give. >>>> > >>>> >Nolan Crabb >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >_______________________________________________ >>>> >PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... >>>> > >>>> http://www.pc-audio.org >>>> > >>>> >To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >>>> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> > >>>> >This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other >>>> >lists we offer, visit us on the web at >>>> http://www.MosenExplosion.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... >>>> http://www.pc-audio.org >>>> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists >>>> we >>>> offer, visit us on the web at >>>> http://www.MosenExplosion.com >>>> >>>> >>>> At 02:26 PM 1/4/2006, you wrote: >>>>> Nolan, I have had good results in removing crosstalk by using the >>>>> Noise Gate function in the SF8 menu. That's Noise Gate rather than >>>>> Noise Reduction. You need to tinker with the decibel setting - >>>>> somewhere between -30 and -35 worked best for me without cutting off >>>>> the speech at the end of phrases, and you still get crosstalk >>>>> sometimes during the speech, but it made a big difference in the final >>>>> product. >>>>> >>>>> I endorse Curtis's suggestion (posted later) of using a commercial >>>>> stereo cassette deck, and resampling and reversing tracks to get the >>>>> final result. It's a little more technically intensive, but the >>>>> results are worth it. I would love to know Curtis's secret for >>>>> removing as much hiss as he does with Noise Reduction. I could never >>>>> achieve those results, which I am sure is more a comment on the >>>>> operator than on the product. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Nolan Crabb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> To: "'PC audio discussion list. '" <Pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 8:18 PM >>>>> Subject: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Greetings, all, and thanks in advance for reading this. >>>>> >>>>> I'm using Sound Forge 8 to digitize NLS four-track books for use in my >>>>> Book >>>>> Port. So here's the question: >>>>> >>>>> I'd love to reduce some of the tape hiss I get and to reduce some of >>>>> the >>>>> crosstalk that comes about when I record in stereo. (I record using a >>>>> handi-cassette as my player, record the tapes at double speed, then >>>>> reverse >>>>> tracks 3 and 4. I then resample the recordings so the speed is >>>>> normal, >>>>> combine the tracks and save them as single MP3 files that I later suck >>>>> into >>>>> the Book Port. >>>>> >>>>> How do I institute the plug-in that would help reduce at least the >>>>> hiss if >>>>> not the crosstalk? >>>>> >>>>> Please, no messages about how I need a different player as my source. >>>>> Trust >>>>> me, I get that already! >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for any help you can give. >>>>> >>>>> Nolan Crabb >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... >>>>> http://www.pc-audio.org >>>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> >>>>> This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. 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