I believe in Gold Wave. It's gotten a lot of knocking over the years from people who sincerely believe that anything other than Sound Forge is a hopeless program to use.
Bruce -- Bruce Toews E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net Info on the Best TV Show of All Time: http://www.cornergas.com On Thu, 5 Jan 2006, Curtis Delzer wrote: > What are you writing at first 22,050hz at 16Bit or smaller? in > stereo, you could only go about 6 hours and 40 minutes at that rate > before you'd fill a fat 32 disk with 2 gigabytes. 24K mp3s don't > really sound that good, the smallest I do is 32K or 32K at the lowest > vbr rating of the encoder engine I use, can't spell frahnhoffer but I > tried, but, again, on the BP 24K mp3s I guess are ok. One mp3 at > that length would be a little unwieldy to me, but that is just > individual preference, and the bp does keep track of where you're > reading in any case. What is a *.pca file? > I am going to give GoldWave a look to see how they use noise > reduction or how their native noise reduction works, it's worth > the$50 because of the support to keyboards the program continues to > have as well. > Bruce, you're a good promulgator of the program, :) <grin> > > Curtis Delzer > > At 04:12 PM 1/5/2006, you wrote: >> No, I'm doing many of the same things you mentioned already. I'm getting >> rid of beginnings and endings of all sides, blowing off all references to >> cassettes in general. >> >> When I'm done, I have a single MP3, 24 KBPS, that works nicely in the Book >> Port. >> >> I dug out the deck, and the crosstalk is no more. >> >> Sixteen sides is the most I've ever digitized--made for a heck of a file, >> but it worked. >> >> I guess I could do all that region creation stuff, which makes sense, but I >> save each side as a .pca file, then I combine them and render them as a >> single MP3. I don't even keep the stuff about "continuing on page >> such-and-such" at the beginning of every side. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> On Behalf Of Curtis Delzer >> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 4:54 AM >> To: PC audio discussion list. >> Subject: Re: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions >> >> I initially forgot a couple steps, very important. After you've >> recorded your "stereo" file with each track/side in the left and >> right channels, you need to select the entire file and copy it to the >> clip board and paste it into another window, one which is mono so the >> sound will be in the center. OOPS, sorry about that. >> You can do all the processing if you wish first before you do the >> pasting into your mono file, but it is important if you can, to put >> markers while the initial recording is being made when the cassette >> sides end so you can find them in an 8 side file, for example, which >> is just about the limit for fat32 (at 44,100Hz at 16bit stereo), if >> you use that format on your hard drive. So, let's say you've recorded >> your stereo file, 2 cassettes long which is about 3 hours, (probably >> 2:56 or so), select it all, then paste it into your mono file. First, >> the left channel, then the right channel. When you reverse the right >> channel, after you've done that, your 11 hour file will look like >> this; again after you've sampled down to 22,050Hz in mono, side 1, 2, >> 5, 6, 7, 8, 3, 4, (from least to most time, left to right. I label >> each region paying very close attention to the narrator so the >> numbers coincide, but I don't keep him saying "side 2, side 3, etc. >> and also I don't keep, "this book is up to 4 sides per cassette, or >> "so many pages on so many sides," in digital format, (again just my >> opinion, it is not needed, and, "to skip such and such in this book, >> fast forward until a beep is heard, stop at that point to hear x x x, >> or the beginning of the book." >> The markers, though you made them going forward, after you've >> reversed the right channel, the markers will be close to where the >> "reversed" sides begin' or' end, but you'll have to hunt a bit. Make >> new markers at the beginning and end of where you wish to create your >> regions, so in that way if the left or right end of the region area >> gets lost or unselected, you can readily find it again. >> I just recorded, finished, "Undue Influence," by Steven Martini >> tonight, while the Rose Bowl was going on, GO TEXAS! :) They did win, >> during side 10 about 30 minutes before I finished the initial >> recording before processing. >> >> At 04:47 PM 1/4/2006, you wrote: >>> Thank you for such kind words, and I will do what I can to reveal >>> what I do to get rid of noise in sound forge. >>> Here is a message I sent to Nolan about it, but I'll amplify. >>> Well, this is "off list," so no prob, and as far as replying, hey, >>> what are we here >>> fore, to help one another? Damn right! So, I enjoy it since I've done >>> many hundred >>> books and know how valuable it is when you hear something which, >>> going in sounded >>> like that unmentionable schtuff you mentioned, but coming out sounds >>> fantastic! I, >>> presume, you do have the sound forge noise reduction plug in, so if >>> you do, then >>> you're going to find that it will do a magnificent job, especially if >>> you can get >>> it to sample the sound in such a way that it automatically picks the >>> "hiss," and/or >>> the "noise" it is suppose to hear, and not what you don't want it to >>> reduce like >>> the voice. Since you've recorded in SF before and know how to >>> reverse, what I do >>> is make a region for each side of each cassette, and then have sf >>> write those regions >>> to specific *.wav files, and then use something else to make the mp3s >>> at 32K or 32K >>> with vbr so the sound is as good as it should be. I record at >>> 44,100Hz and then change >>> the sample rate to 22,050, (NOT RESAMPLE) just change the sample rate >>> so the pitch >>> halves, to resample would not change the pitch but you'd loose >>> quality, and then >>> apply noise reduction since the noise you wish for the NR to hear >>> would be at the >>> correct pitch as well. >>> I hope some of this rambling helps. You can change the amount of >>> noise reduction >>> in the nr reduction plug-in, rather than use the preset of "0.250 >>> seconds (a quarter >>> second) (for fast computers) and then, since it's mode 1, you can >>> then change the >>> amount of supression in db. The "sample noise" checkbox should be >>> checked, and when >>> you first have it sample a noise, it auto unchecks itself since the >>> nr plug-in has >>> found the sample and made it's configuration and to that noise it's >>> sampled, it's >>> set. Change the db slider to, let's say, minus 40 DB and while >>> listening to the "preview" >>> you'll be amazed how wonderfully it will work. Then, save the >>> setting, but make sure, >>> before you save that setting, that the sample checkbox is then, >>> checked, since if >>> you use that setting in the future for another minus 40 db sample, >>> you wish it to >>> sample at least a quarter second of noise automatically, and by >>> default. Many guys >>> forget that checkbox and figure that since the slider is set for >>> minus 40 db, it >>> will get rid of the noise, forgetting that it needs to sample first >>> some noise before >>> it can apply it's magic to what you wish it to hear, not a voice or >>> music. Plan to >>> use a selected part of the noise when you make the nr plug-in hear >>> noise, (the beginning >>> of each side of a book is plenty of room for it) and you'll be really >>> pleased, I >>> guarantee. >>> That dec, will make a huge difference though the handi-cassette is >>> good one track >>> at a time, even has better or less cross talk one track at a time, >>> but is tedious >>> that way. Recording off that dec in your garage (when you set it up) >>> the right channel >>> is tracks 4 and 3 sides 1 and 2 of the tape, and you know that if you >>> first record >>> 1 cassette, that if you press tab it will put the left channel by >>> itself into a way >>> which you can work with separately. Press tab until you hear only the >>> right channel, >>> then reverse it all at once. Then you should down sample, normalize, >>> noise reduce, >>> make regions for sides (which for best results should be noise >>> reduced separately) >>> and then have sf make your *.wav files. >>> Getting to those sliders for minus db can be problematic, though, >>> fortunately I have jfw 5.0 and it's native sound forge configuration >>> files, so the sliders can be found. You must play around a good bit >>> in the plug-in configuration, trying up and down arrow to find out >>> which field(s) get changed, but when you do and learn which does >>> change that slider from about minus 12.5 db which is a default >>> setting when using the preset for "fast computers with 250 >>> millisecond capture, you then will be amazed how well it works, >>> again, especially, if it just hears noise such as tape hiss or hum >>> before the recording begins. >>> I hope all this helps. Take care and write to let me know how you're doing. >>> Curtis Delzer >>> >>> At 02:06 PM 1/4/2006, you wrote: >>> Thanks for the outstanding advice regarding the plug-in and the >>> handi-cassette. I knew it was a piece of something unmentionable when it >>> came to reproducing stereo sound; I need to hunt up my old cassette deck >>> stored in a box in the garage, and I'll do that this weekend. >>> I wonder if we could communicate via e-mail off list so I can get a >> somewhat >>> better handle on how to even begin to use that plug-in. I can't even get >>> the auto trim crop to trim the silence off both ends of the recording >>> appropriately--obviously operator incompetence alive, well, and at work in >>> front of my keyboard. <smile> >>> Again, Curtis, thanks for replying. I know it took time out of your life, >>> and silly and goofy as it sounds, any time I get a reply from anyone, it's >>> kind of a significant thing, especially when I stop and recognize how busy >> I >>> get and how easy it is to just say "poor slob; hope someone somewhere can >>> figure that out for him," and hit the delete key. So when I say thanks for >>> writing back, I truly am grateful. >>> Where do I even go to activate the plug-in? I assume I have to select some >>> tape hiss; that's easy enough to do. >>> And do you do that before or after you resample? >>> Nolan Crabb >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] or >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ >>> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> ] >>> On Behalf Of Curtis Delzer >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 12:18 AM >>> To: PC audio discussion list. >>> Subject: Re: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions >>> Sorry, but the HANDI-CASSETTE has a lot of cross talk by default, >>> and nothing in sound forge can correct this. A better way is to use a >>> regular stereo cassette dec and record tracks 1 and 4, then turn the >>> cassette over and then record sides 2 and 3. This will make a file >>> about an hour and a half long, (probably closer to about 84 or 85 >>> minutes give or take). In SF you can press tab and get to either the >>> left or right side, and you wish to reverse the right channel as you >>> know. If you have the SF noise reduction plut-in, it is superlative >>> at getting rid of the hiss. The commercial cassette stereo recorder >>> has a much better cross talk capability, even a non expensive one. >>> Somehow, the HANDI-CASSETTE, in stereo, is pretty lousy in this >>> regard. If you use the sound forge noise reduction plut-in, use a >>> facility in it which lets you sample the hiss in such a way that it >>> is beyond the beginning of the tape and just before the narrator >>> begins, and save the setting. You can tweak the settings to get that >>> hiss up to 99 db below what it is, and if you do it right, the hiss >>> will be virtually gone leaving the recording even better than the >>> original, I know, I've done it several hundred times. >>> Good luck! >>> Curtis Delzer >>> At 05:18 PM 1/3/2006, you wrote: >>> >Greetings, all, and thanks in advance for reading this. >>> > >>> >I'm using Sound Forge 8 to digitize NLS four-track books for use in my >> Book >>> >Port. So here's the question: >>> > >>> >I'd love to reduce some of the tape hiss I get and to reduce some of the >>> >crosstalk that comes about when I record in stereo. (I record using a >>> >handi-cassette as my player, record the tapes at double speed, then >> reverse >>> >tracks 3 and 4. I then resample the recordings so the speed is normal, >>> >combine the tracks and save them as single MP3 files that I later suck >> into >>> >the Book Port. >>> > >>> >How do I institute the plug-in that would help reduce at least the hiss >> if >>> >not the crosstalk? >>> > >>> >Please, no messages about how I need a different player as my source. >>> Trust >>> >me, I get that already! >>> > >>> >Thanks for any help you can give. >>> > >>> >Nolan Crabb >>> > >>> > >>> >_______________________________________________ >>> >PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... >>> > >>> http://www.pc-audio.org >>> > >>> >To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >>> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> > >>> >This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other >>> >lists we offer, visit us on the web at >>> http://www.MosenExplosion.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... >>> http://www.pc-audio.org >>> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we >>> offer, visit us on the web at >>> http://www.MosenExplosion.com >>> >>> >>> At 02:26 PM 1/4/2006, you wrote: >>>> Nolan, I have had good results in removing crosstalk by using the >>>> Noise Gate function in the SF8 menu. That's Noise Gate rather than >>>> Noise Reduction. You need to tinker with the decibel setting - >>>> somewhere between -30 and -35 worked best for me without cutting off >>>> the speech at the end of phrases, and you still get crosstalk >>>> sometimes during the speech, but it made a big difference in the final >>>> product. >>>> >>>> I endorse Curtis's suggestion (posted later) of using a commercial >>>> stereo cassette deck, and resampling and reversing tracks to get the >>>> final result. It's a little more technically intensive, but the >>>> results are worth it. I would love to know Curtis's secret for >>>> removing as much hiss as he does with Noise Reduction. I could never >>>> achieve those results, which I am sure is more a comment on the >>>> operator than on the product. >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Nolan Crabb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: "'PC audio discussion list. '" <Pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 8:18 PM >>>> Subject: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions >>>> >>>> >>>> Greetings, all, and thanks in advance for reading this. >>>> >>>> I'm using Sound Forge 8 to digitize NLS four-track books for use in my >>>> Book >>>> Port. So here's the question: >>>> >>>> I'd love to reduce some of the tape hiss I get and to reduce some of >>>> the >>>> crosstalk that comes about when I record in stereo. (I record using a >>>> handi-cassette as my player, record the tapes at double speed, then >>>> reverse >>>> tracks 3 and 4. I then resample the recordings so the speed is >>>> normal, >>>> combine the tracks and save them as single MP3 files that I later suck >>>> into >>>> the Book Port. >>>> >>>> How do I institute the plug-in that would help reduce at least the >>>> hiss if >>>> not the crosstalk? >>>> >>>> Please, no messages about how I need a different player as my source. >>>> Trust >>>> me, I get that already! >>>> >>>> Thanks for any help you can give. >>>> >>>> Nolan Crabb >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... >>>> http://www.pc-audio.org >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >>>> This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. 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