On 6 May 2016 at 03:53, Luka Perkov <l...@openwrt.org> wrote: >>On 2016-05-05 20:22, mbm wrote: >>> On 5/5/2016 7:40 AM, Felix Fietkau wrote: >>>> Many of the changes that we previously tried to introduce were often >>>> squashed by internal disagreements. Resulting discussions often turned >>>> toxic quickly and led to nothing being done to address the issues. >>>> Setting up the LEDE project was our way of creating a testbed for >>>> changes that we believe are important for the survival of the project. >>> >>> Change is not easy. Discussions need to happen. The problem is simply >>> kicking out people you didn't agree with by starting a new organization >>> in secret; you've created the public perception that we're somehow >>> against you when really we all want the same things. >> >> Years of internal discussion led nowhere. Maybe it helps now that we're >> making the whole issue public. > > For the sake of transparency, we've had public discussions, about a number of > things, for example switching to Git: > > - https://lists.openwrt.org/pipermail/openwrt-devel/2015-October/036390.html > - https://lists.openwrt.org/pipermail/openwrt-devel/2015-October/036480.html > - https://lists.openwrt.org/pipermail/openwrt-devel/2015-October/036486.html > - https://lists.openwrt.org/pipermail/openwrt-devel/2015-October/036500.html > > And based on these inputs from you the switch was not made even though several > OpenWrt developers wanted to switch. > > Also, server outages can happen to anybody: > - https://lists.openwrt.org/pipermail/openwrt-devel/2016-January/038547.html > > However, we do not want to point fingers. What we do want is to make a great > community around OpenWrt and to drive innovation - just like it has been done > for more then a decade now. > > There has been a long history - mostly good, sometimes bad - since the project > started from a garage project, to now having a project used by an awesome > amount of users. This can be seen from the constructive discussions in this > list on a daily basis, and in this very thread. Also, the project is used as > the main SDK by many silicon vendors internally, and by vast number of > companies on the embedded market. > > We are open for a discussion and would like to keep the OpenWrt's and it's > community interests in the first place. Splitting the project does not make > sense. Do you agree? > >>>> We appreciate your effort to have an open discussion about this, >>>> however the sudden deletion of our widely published openwrt.org email >>>> addresses somewhat undermines this. We will not respond in kind and we >>>> will continue to maintain the critical parts of OpenWrt infrastructure >>>> that we control. >>> >>> Let's be clear on this subject; no commit access was revoked, you still >>> have full read and write access to the entire OpenWrt tree. >>> >>> Email forwarding was temporarily disabled following the LEDE announcement >>> - LEDE's own rules prohibit project based email addresses >> No, they don't. They state that the LEDE project won't provide project >> email addresses. Interpreting that as meaning that we shouldn't be able >> to access our openwrt.org addresses is more than a bit of a stretch. > > In any case, due to the events that happened and the fact that the OpenWrt > name > is being used in a manner opposite of the projects best interest, we felt that > these actions were needed in order to avoid the further damages to the > project. > >>> - It's unclear if LEDE still represents OpenWrt >> So? Asking us to not send any further emails about LEDE from our >> openwrt.org addresses should have been enough. > > Actually, this was discussed on #lede-adm.
IRC history is hard to follow, I'd better assume that something not written here never happened. Regards, Roman _______________________________________________ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
