Excerpts from Dmitry Tantsur's message of 2016-10-13 10:30:44 +0200: > On 10/12/2016 08:47 PM, Clint Byrum wrote: > > Excerpts from Jaesuk Ahn's message of 2016-10-12 15:08:24 +0000: > >> It can be cheap if you are in the US. However, for Asia folks, it is not > >> that cheap considering it is all overseas travel. In addition, all-in-one > >> event like the current summit makes us much easier to get the travel fund > >> from the company, since the company only need to send everyone (tech, ops, > >> business, strategy) to one event. Even as an ops or developers, doing > >> presentation or a meeting with one or two important company can be very > >> good excuse to get the travel money. > >> > > > > This is definitely on the list of concerns I heard while the split was > > being discussed. > > > > I think the concern is valid, and we'll have to see how it affects > > attendance at PTG's and summits. > > > > However, I am not so sure the overseas cost is being accurately > > characterized. Of course, the complications are higher with immigration > > details, but ultimately hotels around international hub airports are > > extremely cheap, and flights tend to be quite a bit less expensive and > > more numerous to these locations. You'll find flights from Narita to > > LAX for < $500 where as you'd be hard pressed to find Narita to Boston > > for under $600, and they'll be less convenient, possibly requiring more > > hotel days. > > The bit about hotels contradicts my whole experience. I've never seen hotels > in > big busy hubs cheaper than in less popular and crowded cities. Following your > logic, hotels e.g. in Paris should be cheaper than ones in e.g. Prague, which > I > promise you is far from being the case :) >
Sorry I communicated that horribly. The hotels next to LAX, which are _ugly_ and _disgusting_ but perfectly suitable for a PTG, are much cheaper than say, the ones in DT LA near the convention center, or in Hollywood, or near Disneyland. A better comparison than LAX might be Atlanta or Minneapolis, which are cities that aren't such common end-destinations, but have tons of flights in and out and generally affordable accommodations. > > > > Also worth considering is how cheap the space is for the PTG > > vs. Summit. Without need for large expo halls, keynote speakers, > > catered lunch and cocktail hours, we can rent a smaller, less impressive > > space. That should mean either a cheaper ticket price (if there is one > > at all) or more sponsored travel to the PTG. Either one of those should > > help alleviate the concerns about travel budget. > > For upstream developers ticker price was 0. Now it will be > 0, so for > companies > who send mostly developers, this is a clear budget increase. > The nominal price of the PTG is expected to be something like $25 or $50. This isn't to cover all the costs, but to ensure that people don't just sign up "just in case I'm in the area" or anything like that. __________________________________________________________________________ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: [email protected]?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
