On Oct 17, 2016 12:15, "Clint Byrum" <cl...@fewbar.com> wrote: > > Excerpts from Chris Dent's message of 2016-10-17 10:38:25 +0100: > > On Mon, 17 Oct 2016, Renat Akhmerov wrote: > > > > > If you are a developer, of course, PTG is an important event to > > > attend. But… Being a developer, I would also love to attend summits > > > also. For a bunch of reasons like catching up with the activities > > > wider than my current focus of development, participating in getting > > > user feedback and help clarifying possible misunderstanding of > > > technical things being discussed which makes feedback gathering > > > process more valuable (I believe that often users don’t know what > > > they want, at least, in details, we need to help them understand by > > > sharing our experience) etc. Also, for purely psychological reason I > > > think it’s very important for people who mostly focus on very > > > specific tasks to sometimes go and see events like an OpenStack > > > summit. From my experience, people often change their attitude to > > > their work when they see how many people are interested in what they > > > are working on in labs. And it’s almost impossible to find a better > > > way of getting that feeling of participating in something tremendous > > > than attending summits. > > > > This. A thousand times this. > > > > Summit is one of the few ways that I get to see the big picture and > > that there are actual real people doing real things with OpenStack. > > > > Agree with all of these things. However, a lot of us felt that the > pressure to do both at the same time was compromising both to the point > that the sum of these two things was not even equal to the parts. > > Perhaps more dev focused people will find themselves going to 2 PTG's, > and just one summit, the one closer to them geographically, every year. > > __________________________________________________________________________ > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
I have very mixed feeling about the PTG. The more I spend thinking of it the less I am a fan of the distinction between the summit and the PTG as it stands. If the summit became a yearly thing and the PTG twice yearly I think much of the concerns would subside. Seeing as that is not the case, I see the PTG to bee currently poorly communicated. Given the choice as a developer between summit and PTG I would pick summit. I hope "OpenStack: the gathering" solves the split midcycles. But frankly I am at this point in agreement that the lack of direct OPS feedback and worry about lacking the larger picture is a serious detractor for what has been proposed for the PTG. It comes down to needing to now keep a solid presence for both for the cores and PTLs, which is contrary to the original proposal. I hope I am wrong in this assessment.
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