On 02/08/2016 09:42 AM, Anita Kuno wrote: > On 02/08/2016 04:09 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: >> Jay Pipes wrote: >>> tl;dr >>> ===== >>> >>> I have long thought that the OpenStack Summits have become too >>> commercial and provide little value to the software engineers >>> contributing to OpenStack. >>> >>> I propose the following: >>> >>> 1) Separate the design summits from the conferences >>> 2) Hold only a single OpenStack conference per year >>> 3) Return the design summit to being a low-key, low-cost working event >>> [...] >> >> I agree with most of the things that have been said so far. I think the >> upstream community can't really get its work done in the current >> setting, > > Sounds like we have some agreement on this point. > >> and that it's too costly for companies to send most of their >> developers to classy hotels in expensive cities. I therefore think it >> would be beneficial to separate the events. >> >> I agree that a separated design summit should be in lower-cost venues >> and smaller cities. But I don't think that the "OpenStack contributor >> community" can or should directly organize them. I happen to have a foot >> on both sides, and I can tell you organizing those events is extremely >> time consuming. I know exactly who would end up with the burden of >> organizing those events in the end -- and those are the same overworked >> cross-project core of developers that fill all the gaps in OpenStack. >> >> I don't want to risk even more burnout from that group by forcing them >> into the craziness of organizing such events every 6 months. > > Thank you! > >> I don't >> think the issue with the Design Summit is that the Foundation staff and >> FNTech organizes them. > > Shout out to the Foundation staff and FNTech who do such an amazing job > of creating lovely events so consistently. Thank you, thank you. This > discussion, as Monty stated early in his post, in no way is any kind of > reflection of the quality of your work or your dedication to task, which > is evident in everything you do (including the fabulous feedback > sessions at the conclusion of the events). This is a reflection of our > fantastic success and growth. Thanks for your wonderful work! > >> It's mostly my team working on it on the staff >> side -- and I think Mike Perez and myself qualify as "OpenStack >> contributor community". > > I agree with that characterization, yes. > > >> The issue is with the bundling of the two >> events, and that can be fixed while still letting a specialized event >> team do all the heavy lifting. >> >> The timing of this thread is unfortunate, since after Tokyo I have >> actually been working on a solution for separation myself, and the >> Foundation is finalizing a strawman proposal that should soon be pushed >> for comments to the community. It involves changes to the main >> conference event as well. >> >> So please stand by while we finalize that: I think you will like the end >> result. >> > > Thank you Thierry and team. I look forward to the strawman and > ruminating on it once proposed. > > Thank you, > Anita. >
I'll also add that for me one of the things I have lost is the space to listen. I miss listening. I value it. I hope to have space to listen again in the future structure. Thank you, Anita. __________________________________________________________________________ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
